"Spurs play primitive football and are extremely naive"
Tuesday, November 30, 2010 at 12:57PM We beat Liverpool 2-1, cue 40+ page thread over at Man City forum Bluemoon about Spurs. Started off innocently enough with one of the locals suggesting Spurs are a better team. Which arguably we've proven to be. Perhaps that will change in the course of this season. We'll have to wait and see. The whole billionaire playboy buys a football club scenario is obviously not the same thing as spending untold millions within your own means. Although both methods can be open to criticism - especially if there is a distinct lack of silverware in the trophy cabinet or no tangible progression.
Not to suggest there is anything wrong with supporting your club no matter the transfer philosophy. And if you happen to see a consortium or the uber-rich take over, you're going to be happy. However, grace and class is hardly something you can pay for. And success is never deserved, it's earned.
Because of the manner of their rags to riches story and their massively over paid 'superstar' signings they (granted it's a fraction of their support that frequent Bluemoon so I'm not tainting all City fans with this paintbrush of ridiculousness) seem to think its a given this will equate to success because how dare success not become them if they've spent millions in such a short space of time with the main objective to dominate. There's a couple of them that have been posting on the forum for several years. You'd think they'd appreciate their humble beginnings and respect their competition and have patience in terms of what goes into the fundamental building blocks of success and a winning mentality. But alas no.
Welcome to Madchester. We spent a few hundred million so book that open bus parade.
That's the problem with this type of 'project'. The expectancy is that glory must be a given. It only worked at Chelsea because of one special reason. And arguably Chelsea were already knocking on the door of the United and Arsenal party.
That's my opinion. Bluemoon's opinion of Tottenham?
"They are on steroids. EPL is a joke if they dont do better doping tests"
"Spurs play primitive football and are extremely naive"
"We are leagues ahead of them, they have a couple of players and a lot of luck. They have no depth and should we want to we could buy ANY of their players to weaken them"
The above are some of the more level-headed statements made. Apparently Lennon only scored the winner in the 93rd minute because he had help, possibly from a doctor who gave him magic energy juice, because its nigh impossible to believe he's an athlete and capable of a burst and run onto goal late on. Hate to think how much of the stuff Tevez is drinking. Perhaps Ricky Villa was on the juice too back in 1981.
Would like to think not all City fans are this backwards. Anyone? Answers on a postcard. Granted in my time I was deluded enough to think Johnnie Jackson was a decent player and Adel Taarabt would be the new Glenn Hoddle. But some of the quoted statements sound like it's come from Davspurs demented northern cousin.
I know, I know, why should we even bother with it. It's a minority, much like any forum or blog following. It's a bunch of people sharing their opinions. And yes, we too have similar ilks of nutters on various message boards preaching in the fickle art of knee-jerk. But I hardly think any of them would venture into this David Lynchesque delusional madness.
Throw enough **** at the wall and some of it will stick. City will get there in the end. But it's hardly endearing. This template has worked before although one or two have hardly managed to sustain it. Someone pointed out how Liverpool - one of the richest clubs in the world in terms of history - have struggled to take hold of the domestic bread and butter like they did in the 70's and 80's. Their cycle might have ended but they've endeavoured. It's naive to think anyone can become someone just because of their fat wallet.
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Reader Comments (159)
Quote: Parklane Phil:
Small club with money and no class or history to talk of, constantly wishing they were United and then when the money comes expecting to have it all. Well, last season proved them lacking and we were the ones on top gaining CL.
At the end of this season we will see, until then STFU you bunch of nonces.
Answer, see this is exactly what I am talking about, banter my backside as that is just pure hate and abuse. The sort of abuse that provokes riots and violence, pointed at the wrong people.
To Devon, Honestly my end of season top four would be Chelsea, United, City, Arsenal in any order, Spurs fifth and I would not bet on who wins the title right now either.
I wont be lowering myself to the standard of Bluemoon or the scummy half of your fanbase, actually I am pretty sure I boycotted Bluemoon from my bookmark list. What does it take for you all to realise and accept even you have scumbags for fans in amungst you.
The trick is not to entertain them nor to direct attention to them.
Btw you lot would not be crying if your club had been purchased by Sheikh Mansour, infact you would be swimming with optimism just like most City fans.
All this talk that you know this City fan and that City fan and that they don't like how City are going about things with loadsamoney just smacks of a made up lie of a story, seen it all before in the past.
Another splashing of hypocrititus, sorry but it had to be said.
@ city blue....
one comment from a twat, a couple of strong arguments with a tinge of "lilyblight" passion from others i'll give you but otherwise its pretty much banter with respect buddy, the net is full of people likely to incite a riot, spurs fans among them but fortunately on here they are rare, stick with it a while and you will see what i mean.
If you think that is enough to incite a riot then seriously my suggestion is leave. :roll:
I really like City and most of their older fans, of course you'll get the knob-heads who have neither the brain or memory to fully appreciate where they are now. If City had beaten us last term, I'd have said fair play and enjoyed watching them in the CL as you have no idea what its like watching 4 teams you cant stand competing for something you cant attain.
City are in transition as they've bought some cack for a load of bucks and now cant shift them on as the precedent's been set with Bellamy I still think City are in with a shout in the EPL, mainly because there are no outstanding teams anymore. Still have really fond memories of 81, two of the best goals ever scored in one game (Villa and McKenzie), and a brilliant atmosphere by both sets of fans in both games. Can only wish them well, but as for naive football?, nah sorry we're playing football the Tottenham way.... think about it, its taken the Goons a 100 years to work it out and now they think they're good at it.
Citeh are the the Michael Carroll (lotto lout) of the football world. All money no class, his fall was quite hard I seem to remember.
Let's put it simply and compare City to Real Madrid.
Plenty of money to spend, can get (or attempt to get) any player they want because they offer ridiculously offensive salaries.
The problem is that they take a long time to become cohesive out on the pitch because every transfer window they go and add a handful of new players.
Real got spanked last night because they are a team once again in transition, with a new manager and new players. They were up against a team that bought wisely again in the summer, tinkering with a few positions, but largely established as a unit.
With the exception of Mancini, City are again buying for the sake of buying rather than letting players get settled and learn how to perform as a team.
We on the other hand are just tinkering here and there with a very capable squad.
We added 3 players in the summer without having to spend much money. Gallas came in for free, VdV came in on a bargain last minute deal and Sandro came in relatively cheap, but isn't yet ready to become a regular.
Our squad remains largely identical to what it was last year, meaning they play as a unit, understand each other and are effectively a "brotherhood" who play for eachother.
City are already starting to show a few cracks, or so the media would have us believe, with Adebayor (shock horror) wanting out, Balotelli linked with a move back to Italy and even David Silva supposedly not settling.
I'm not really concerned about City getting a top 4 spot. For me it's all about what WE achieve out on the pitch. We have to have the attitude that we need to win as many games as possible, and believe that City will struggle and drop a handful of points. After all, they conceded late on at Stoke resulting in taking only 1 point, compared to the 3 we took from them.
Granted, I don't WANT City to take top 4, purely because of the money aspect and their belief that having money means they should automatically finish top 4 because they can buy whoever they want (Kaka bid again in January?).
We have earned our CL place over the last 5 years, coming close twice, and finally hitting the peak at the end of last season.
Chelsea were already well on their way before the Roman empire began.
City on the other hand............
@rysharp
Don't mistake BAE's cool demeanor for apathy. Beneath that aloof visage is a calculating operator of ruthless dimensions. He is busy figuring out how he is going to win the match for us without anyone noticing.
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Spurs are set up to not have a City scenario happen. Although we did supposedly show RA around before he bought Chelsea. Lucky escape that. Or not.
Devon, I seem to notice more than one comment from a Spurs fan here stating we have no class, no history, lets not have the pot call the kettle anymore aye and get to the point.
Spurs have been banckrolled by a sugar daddy or two dating back to Old Trafford being bombed by the German Luftewaffe just like United have been bankrolled by sugar daddies starting with Harry Stafford.
Some has tried to compare us to Real Madrid just above only that too is pot calling kettle when Real Madrid have done the exact same thing everyone has tried to do only some have succeeded and others have not and one that has not is Spurs of late, Blackburn tried and failed to maintain.
Now it is City's turn to try and apparently we don't deserve the chance according to the rest of the world, I am a 35 year City fan and I did not start supporting City until after 1976 so what does that tell you?, yes I was the from the bottom up so my opinion stands way above even fans of pre 1976, grandson of an AAFC fan.
You can all live your dream that you have been run so well as a company but in all honesty you damn well know Spurs have won hardly anything compared to the millions your club have pumped in over the years.
Your not fooling anyone.
Man City have history.
So do Spurs.
Spurs have a far more consistent tradition and silverware in every decade since the 1950s.
You still want to compare cock sizes?
;)
You can all live your dream that you have been run so well as a company but in all honesty you damn well know Spurs have won hardly anything compared to the millions your club have pumped in over the years.
Your not fooling anyone.
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We make money, we spunk money. It was out of desperation thanks to the Sky Sports monopoly that left EVERYONE else behind by miles.
It's no massive shame.
Drawing parallels between the woolwich ar3en2l’s (now defunct) dominance in our manor and howard webbs favourite mancunians, I can't help but think for all our historical grief that this sites occasional tagline of "its kinda like purgatory" is much more apt for citeh. They have after all, watched manure win everything for donkeys, while during the same time frame have even been relegated to division 2.
In other words they have been total shit.
So when the mullah suddenly arrives avalanche styley, who can blame the whining voiced our kid chavs for having an accelerator pedal mentality that makes Cheatski's wonga fuelled progress look like the long-term meticulous planning of an academic snail (For the revisionists out there –it wasn’t).
As Bobbi Flekman said to Spinal Tap: "money talks and bullshit walks", so there is inevitability about citeh’s ascension to the top table. That is of course as long as their Sheikh doesn’t rattle then roll.
If I cared, I would say their long suffering fans deserve it. I don’t.
Hopefully, citeh’s shifting sands will not settle in time this season. From our perspective it won’t matter what they do if we replace Palacios, bring in a penalty taking fuck off centre forward & turn the corner injury-wise. COYS!
No No No, you're confusing us with someone else, Spurs have always generated cash by being well supported, why on earth do you think the Goons migrated over this way. Joe Lewis isn't interested in football, nor does he bankroll Spurs or anyone else. We're a PLC and have shareholders to answer to. The last chairman who tried to 'bankroll' us was Irving Scholar, and he left us in the worse mess the clubs ever known and its taken 25 years of sheer hard graft and mediocrity to get back to where we are now. None of this could have been achieved without the fans we have and the loyalty they've shown during austere times. So if we're a little buoyant you'll have to understand why, as I said earlier, if City or Everton do well, I'll applaud because we know how it feels, stick to baiting Utd and Liverpool, but our efforts should be applauded by football fans everywhere for our success.
Here we go again.
Walkerboy,
"Plenty of money to spend, can get (or attempt to get) any player they want because they offer ridiculously offensive salaries."
Compare the wages Spuds pay their players to the wages paid to any Championship club, or even lower half of the Prem club - in comparison ridiculously offensive - it's a question of scale, City can afford what they pay, Spurs can afford what they pay.
Both teams take talent from smaller clubs to their own advantage - Gareth Bale left Southampton when he would have been better off learning his trade and developing there, for, wait for it, THE MONEY!
"The problem is that they take a long time to become cohesive out on the pitch because every transfer window they go and add a handful of new players"
This is not a problem. It is part of adding better players to a poor quality squad (under Pearce), and the process will continue until the Sheikh is happy, which presumably means when we win stuff. Spurs do it too, on a smaller scale.
"With the exception of Mancini, City are again buying for the sake of buying rather than letting players get settled and learn how to perform as a team."
Wrong. City are buying to improve, there is a plan, it is not a scattergun approach, you believe too much of what you read in the media.
"We on the other hand are just tinkering here and there with a very capable squad."
Good for you. However, the season is long, and I don't think your squad is as good as you think it is. I also know that City's squad is not as good as the media make it out to be, and needs improving. Just because we've spent big money, doesn't mean the job is finished.
"City are already starting to show a few cracks, or so the media would have us believe, with Adebayor (shock horror) wanting out, Balotelli linked with a move back to Italy and even David Silva supposedly not settling."
You said it, it's what the media are telling you - most of it is mischief making with no basis in truth.
"Granted, I don't WANT City to take top 4, purely because of the money aspect and their belief that having money means they should automatically finish top 4 because they can buy whoever they want (Kaka bid again in January?). "
If I were a Wycombe Wanderers fan then by your logic I would only wish ill on Spuds for having the means to buy better players than my club. This is plain and simple jealousy - the very definition. (Fair enough if you admit it, but please don't pretend you're not).
"Chelsea were already well on their way before the Roman empire began.
City on the other hand.."
Exactly.
City started off from a much lower point than Chelsea when the money came in, so need to spend more, and over a shorter period of time, thanks to the Fifa financial fair play rules, in order to become an established top team in England and Europe.
If you think having the ambition to be a top team is wrong, then City are guilty as charged, but don't get all moral on us about the money or the timescales, it's just a question of scale.
City are no more morally bankrupt than Fulham or Wigan in buying their way to the Premiership, and abide by the same transfer policies Tottenham and everyone else does, they just have more power to do so now.
The day you stop poaching players from lesser teams (and with Arry as your manager that will be when hell freezes over) is the day you can say that City are different to you, until then, suck it up.
Liars, your clubs history tells the truth and the truth is your club have had financial backing from your owners and investors for donkeys years, stop trying to feed us rubbish when we know the truth and the only people your fooling is yourselves.
We're rich because we have a massive fanbase and loyal fans (the latter is something we do have in common). Hardly call El Tel and Sugar buying the club 'investors' in the same league as your current owners. ENIC have not exactly pumped in their own money reserves either.
I will only discuss City fans when BAE starts showing interest in the team circle thing. Maybe he is already measuring his fantastic long balls to 2MP before the game and detests the little distraction of a team group hug.
Or maybe he's just very homophobic.
I doubt Bale would have been better off staying at Southampton to learn hos trade. I think you will find at the princely old age of 21 he is doing pretty well.
The fact is Spurs run a tight ship, rake in plenty of money and spend well within their means - I think you will find we are about the best run of pretty much any major club you care to mention. i dont know why you find this so incomprehensible or offensive.
City seem to be employing a kid in a sweetshop mentality to my mind, how much for Milner? Barry? Lescott?. And then insisting that everyone bows down and gives them some respect,doesnt really encourage anything but the opposite, its a bit needy isnt it? Because as far as I can tell you have yet to do anything of note, have routinely played negative football and spend almost every waking hour bemoaning the tabloid coverage you recieve. Win something, qualify for CL then stuff the words down their throat.
In all honesty I would happily take Citeh for a top 4 spot over any of the usual smug suspects. But if it comes down to us and City then may the best team win. ie us. because we put on an awesome show.( Im totally thinking of the neutrals here)
CHILL OUT.
If you want evidince of how deluded Man City fans really are, then look no further...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1274138/Manchester-City-fan-left-red-faced-2011-Champions-League-Winners-tattoo.html
City-The West Ham of the "norf"...!!COYS
Blimey Spooks, I go out for a couple of hours and one of the longest blogs in history happens and most of the replies are from your good self.
Let's crank it up a tad.
I despise those City fans - complete bunch of w***ers. Sorry folks just getting bored with the length of the responses ; )
I hate city because the yobs invaded the pitch when were beating them in the cup and started throwing punches at young spurs fans. They money they keep throwing at the problem reminds me of the NHS and an IT project, it's very funny. Ciao
Every club has a lot of idiots supporting it. end of. If spurs had City's money we would have the same problem, it goes with the territory. Anyone who stood by their team (rather than bitched and moaned) during that 3 month period where they scored NO GOALS about 5 years ago ... well no-one deserves success, but i don't begrudge them it.
Looks like i missed out on all the fun here , so my two cents :
I would find it hard to accept that Spurs were purchased by one of the ultra wealthy , asking myself when the crazy spending would stop and leave my club destroyed and bankrupt. I dont like the fact that they have such a crazy amount of money to spend and ruin the basis of running a club with a sound financial plan and just buying 20 strikers just because they can. Paying even more ridiculous wages and making it impossible for others to compete. But say fans from Charlton could say the same thing about us ... only difference being that we do not have to go for the same kind of players as them
I do however like the fact that City are able to annoy the manure and my fav belgian player is Kompany so i dont really have a problem with the team or their fans (except the ones on that forum)
oh and i have not read all of the comments but has anyone been accused of being a fat spotted teenager living in his mom's bassment yet ?
Otherwise , pick me , pick me !
wibble
3 Reasons Why The City 'Project' is Doomed
1. City don't have the 'bones' upon which to build a sustained powerhouse whereas Chelsea did. Largely this relates to attracting the right players in the short term, not just those wanting to escape somewhere else (Robinho, Tevez, Adebayor) or want the large amounts of lucre (Barry, Adebayor, Toure, Robinho, Adebayor). It relates to a location players want to come to and their WAGS want to come to. It relates to the pedigree and prestige of the club that allows the player to be able to publicly say they went theire for 'footballing reasons' and for it to be believable.
City have none of these bones. They should look more to Portsmouth as an example than Chelsea.
2. Timing & Time. Timing: If this were to have any chance of working it needed to happen 4-5 years ago. This would have properly separated City from everyone, instead it has caught them up to an ever-larger pack. FIFA Financial Fair Play rules are soon to take effect. Time: success needs to be immediate, so the time to develop and mould will not be tolerated.
3. Owners motivation. As the emirate states prepare for a non-petro future they are diversifying into becoming a destination. A lot rides on the success of this for them so they are furiously attempting to build their brands as rapidly as they are the peninsula. This is where big sport sponsorships come it. Get our brand out there in a highly succesful way that commands respect. So it is hard to see how the current owners will tolerate anything other than immediate success given the primary objective of their purchase is positive global awareness and sentiment.
City are little more than a highly expensive, last minute and more than a tad desperate advertising gimmick bought at the wrong place at the wrong time. Fingers crossed eh.
PS I heard they only signed Yaya Toure because they thought his name was YoYo Toure which was a perfect reflection of their history.
Bluemoon gives you good chuckle. A thread starded called "Lionel Messi " and inside 2 posts after, there're refering to Tottenham ffs.
No problem with the sensible Man city fans.
Maybe they have a few idiots posting on blogs but so do every club, including Spurs.
Always thought they were the Northern equivalent of Spurs, playing good football, raising your hopes and then dashing them by shooting themselves in both feet.
So now they have endless amounts of cash to spend, so what ?
I would not complain if we were in the same position and as it is not likely to last forever, suggest they make the most of it and enjoy the ride.
Always enjoy the banter when Gallagher comes to the Lane.
My favourite is " Your'e just a shite Chas and Dave" closely followed by "Shall we write a song for you".
And fair play to the bloke he has a go back so good luck to him.
Could do with a bit more of this good natured abuse/ banter and less of the absolute filth which we sometimes hear.
this whole debate is pointless. 5 years from now the twitcher will be managing England (and fucking it up), Spurs will be mid table shite where they belong and City will be one of the most dominant teams in europe.
Ahem.
If I may.
Your momma's are so fat, because every time I shag them, I give them a biscuit.
(Many thanks to my good friend Stan the Man for the basis of this insult).
I believe I just "served" you.
I've never seen so much panic by Chelsea, City, bin-dipper and woolwich fans ever. We must be doing something right.
I think it's going to be a close run for 4th spot between us and city. The longer that Mancini stays a mc the better. I thought we would struggle due to cl hangovers but we have done really well to be within 1 point of them now. As we get more used to playing 3 big games during the 1 week we will only get stronger and I think that with Harry combined with a better balanced squad, I think we will be OK/
@cityspur
You're comments at the start were insightful and gave the less-informed of us a view of most City fans. However, now you are sounding a bit like a spoilt child trying to bait us. There is no need. You are constantly contradicting yourself in your statements.
As for us having no history?? I'd be interested to know how you came up with this theory. If our club has no history, I'm not sure where that puts City's legacy in football. Foetus level??
Anyway...
Big Sky Spur, may I be 6th member of the appreciation society? I'm very good at taking minutes....
For heavens sake, most City fans are long suffering and deserve any success their team is having after being in Utd's shadow for so long. The issue that I think needs to be looked at is whether their 1990s Italian style tactics are what their fans want?
Obviously I meant @cityblue not @cityspur. That wasn't a sly dig.
That's just it David. I fiercely support any City fans right to be VERY excited about what is happening at the club. Hell, we would be, regardless of some fans saying that they're glad it hasn't happened to us. What are the odds of a Man City fan laughing in your face if you told them 5 years ago that they would be making genuine bids for the likes of Robhino and Kaka! It's fairytale!
However, from the outside and discounting media reports, I'm not sure their board and/or manager is going the right way about achieving success. I may have to eat these words as early as this season, but I can't see them challenging for the title for a while yet, unless there are genuinely world class mercenary players out there. The very best players will always choose an esteemed club over wages. That's not a dig, but City are no Barca, Real, Man U, Milan, Bayern etc. I would put Liverpool in that bracket had they not been trying their best to ridicule their rich traditions and history at the moment. Unless I am living in a fairytale land of my my own right now, that's just the way it is and City won't change that for a while.
And City fans, before you say anything, I'm not putting Spurs in the same bracket as the aforementioned clubs either! Even though some of our 'fans' will tell you we are in that league!
@ grim......at risk of repeating myself.........your mother owes my dog some fuck money :)
I like Citeh, always have always will even when they came into all that money I didnt begrudge them one bit and why should I, any competition geared towards smashing the Sky4 should be applauded no matter who that might be so bring it on I say, let us smash the Sky4 together.
I have to however draw the line when fans of whatever team start dissin' Tottenham for making a go of things in an exciting entertaining fashion and all they can come up with is "well Spurs are shit" or "everyone hates Spurs" or "who do they think they are they are deluded" something retarded and idiotic like that or the comments highlighted in the OP "playing primitive football", I mean have these people been living on the moon the past two seasons? have these people got a combined single figure IQ? Are they just plain dumb? If it is none of them well then it can only be jealously because the past two seasons we have been nothing short of sensational in our approach, application and end product we have been a breath of fresh air. I think it is beyond the collective intelligence of some of the haters to put their jealousy to one side and if they did they would realise that we have done football and the PL a massive turn by smashing the Sky4 but alas they dont or cant see it or refuse to.
You earn respect, and in my opinion we have well earned that respect over the past couple of seasons and we should be respected because we are a bloody good team who play some cracking stuff, get results and entertain all at the same time hell we even spanked the European champions a couple of weeks ago. It is about respect that's what I think. Would be nice to see ourselves and Citeh in the CL next year and who knows maybe it will happen.
COYS
Just been through the blue thread. WOW they (some) certainly are an arrogant / angry bunch aren't they! I actually hope we both get into the top 4 and really mix it up this season... To claim they are the better team after 15 games and +1 point, shows how desperate and nonsensical they are.... Come the end of the season Spurs will finish above them, no doubt... But as they are are a relatively small club (history wise), they will be over the 'blue moon' with a UEFA Cup in their cabinet. Good luck to them... PS Bolton now play far more attractive football than Citeh these days - end of story!! When we win, we win in style, and as SPURS it always has to be this way because we are one of the great entertainers of the footballing world. I for one wouldn't have it any other way!! 4-3 is always a better result that 1-0 in my book... COYS!!
City- Small club with money and no class or history to talk of, constantly wishing they were United and then when the money comes expecting to have it all. Well, last season proved them lacking and we were the ones on top gaining CL.
At the end of this season we will see, until then STFU you bunch of nonces.
As I said, 10% of any club's football fans are completely nuts.
When most football fans talk about history they mean "what happened in my lifetime" like those daft polls that list 'the greatest songs of the century' when they really mean "the last ten years". History in football terms didn't start in 1948 or 1950 despite what Man U and Spurs fans may insist. My old man, like me a City supporter used to talk about his younger days when United players wore odd shirts and Bury were a Div 1 team.
When I said City have a stronger squad I meant that overall we have more depth. In fact we have huge strength in depth.Our third choice right back is a current England international, as is our fourth choice centre half.
ii am constantly surprised that so many fans believe what is written in the press, particularly the crap that is invented by Tribal or similar and then taken up by the tabs.
For example, the current story about Tevez being unhappy is old stuff re-hashed. There are no signs that Silva is unhappy or that AJ wants to leave. There is considerable animosity in the press about City, why I'm not sure. Jealousy from journalist fans of other clubs? Merely an eye for a story?
Yes we have payed to much for the likes of Milner (all work rate and little end product), Santa Cruz ( a Hughes obsession) and Lescott (another Hughes obsession and far too slow of speed and thought).
I wouldn't put Barry in the same group. He's an odd player, quite ponderous but when he plays well the team plays well.
But the signs are that Mancini is getting it right. Recent buys like Silva, Kolarov and Boateng seem to be bedding in fine.
Balotelli is undeniably gifted but was always going to be a risk. But then we have the money, why not risk it? Scarf Ace has spotted flaws in Johnson and is working hard to put them right. The much-reviled De Jong reminds me of your erstwhile man Perryman. He wouldn't be in any neutral's 'Team of The Season' but watch him week in, week out and you see how indispensable he is.
One of your guys suggested it was somehow Mancini's fault that Given was pissed off. Yes, he is. Understandable but you can only play one keeper and Hart is justifying his place.
Kompo and Kolo have started to gell - we don't concede many these days.
Yaya I think will come good when we have the balance right and he can get forward.
Which leaves Adebayor. I'm a fan, the guy has boundless talent and he's by no means as lazy as the lunatic fringe on Bluemoon make out. Dammit, Ade can lope faster than many players can run! But he does need an awful lot of cuddling and I think Mancini may have come to the conclusion that all the effort just ain't worth it. I htink he will be gone by Jan and we'll get someone else in, hope it's Dzecko.
I have to say I don't know a single City fan who is unhappy with Sheikh Mansoor's purchase. Re Mancini's style of football, most fans are happy to go along with it. Some of the one-touch stuff against Sunderland, W Brom, Fulham and the second half against Stoke was wonderful (though not in Barca's league obviously). I'd like to see us continue to progress in this direction - control, good movement and imagination. This to me is real tangible progress. Of course I'd like to see 'TCS' - the typical City syndrome eradicated too., viz Kolo's daft lob forward and Richards' last minute aimless walkabout against Stoke.
But most of the Bluemooon nutters of course would register progress as two scuffed wins against United and a kamikaze battering of a hapless West Ham.
Finally, it would do Premiership football a heap of good to have both Spurs and City in the top 4. I hope it happens.
Come on you people! We should stop all these! Man c people should attack man u forums and spurs to the arse forum!
Hi, City fan here. I'd just like to echo the views of others here in saying that the views of some Bluemoon members are not representative of all City supporters, or even of other Bluemoon members.
Equally it should be noted that not every City fan agrees with the club's transfer policy since the takeover(s). Though I believe that it has become less 'scattergun' of late. Certainly the signings of the last transfer window seem more measured than those before it.
Having been a Bluemoon member since 2005, it's fair to say that the, shall we say, 'dynamic' of some of the posters has changed in recent times. Although like any message board, reasoned and rational debate can be found amidst the partisan intellectual debris.
But bear in mind Spurs fans that we are absolutely desperate for success, having watched those in charge cock-up countless favourable situations, multiple relegations, self-inflicted financial heartache and a patronising national media. And Alan Ball and Frank Clark. Just imagine if to provide the icing to Arsenal's double season of 2001-02, Spurs suffered relegation? Not nice eh?
Finally best of luck for this season. I hope the hatred between the two sets of supporters dissipates. CTID
"@ grim......at risk of repeating myself.........your mother owes my dog some fuck money :)
Nov 30, 2010 at 10:56 PM | devon yid"
Damn, I've run out of Momma insults.
I'll just have to don my Carlos Tevez "Gator" snood, Scarf Ace retro knitwear and Robinho woolly mits and get some more material from hooded teenagers on their way to school past my bungalow. (And berate them for dropping crisp packets and cans of redbull on the steet, lazy whippersnappers).
Anyone know where I can get some of those toasty-looking tights the Arse players wear so fetchingly?
Personally I think that City are us up north. Plenty of frustrating years of mediocrity and worse and worse yet their hated neighbour filling their boots and now, finally they can see something positive happening for the first time in years - exactly the same as us. Of course with the money comes the "new blues" who have suddenly "found" football just as things are looking bright. These morons are the most vocal and aggeressive in the blogs etc and is exactly the same at Spurs. I have been a supporter for over 40 years and for the first time in 20years we look like a team so I am quietly confident but I have seen the bubble burst so many times that I am also a little fearful that it will so I am just now enjoying the football cos it is good and entertaining and thats what the game is all about really - or should be and indeed was, until the money took control. Now city are seeing their own little revolution but I am sure that the "old and bold - genuine" blue mooners are also half expecting it all to go to pot as it has done so many times for them aswell. Personally I would love to see a time where its Spurs and City swapping the title season after season in much the same we have had to endure from manure, gooners and chavs. Will it happen? dunno - odds are stacked against it but it could be fun watching, will be a ride for sure and hey if we get to watch that lot squirm for awhile will certainly be worth admission fees lol. So lets hope the future is lilywhite AND moon blue...... With white on top of course :)) COYS!!!
When most football fans talk about history they mean "what happened in my lifetime" like those daft polls that list 'the greatest songs of the century' when they really mean "the last ten years".
As it is now 2010 the greatest songs of the century would only cover the last ten years.
Lets have some rigour in the slanging match chaps.
Best thread since the invention of cotton.
Can I just point out that prior to the Abramovich takeover Chelsea were serioulsy in debt and were begining to fall back to the pack. They would have gone the same way as leads had it not been for the Russian.
Anybody with half a brain who watches City week in, week out can see what Mancini is at. He's developing a team on the Barca model - energetic, skilful midfielders; fullbacks who can get up and down with comfort and wingers prepared to track back.
Please note I am not saying we are anything like as good as Barca - but they are not a bad role model.
Scarf Ace has been held back by a number of factors
a) injuries - so far his preferred back 4 have only been able to play together once. And the very promising Michael Johnson has been out for the guts of two years.
b) attitudes - and here I'm relying on the evidence of contacts within the club, not press gossip. The principal offenders have been Johnson (Adam) who won't work the plan (contrast the energetic Silva who will). Bellamy with his aggro, pro-Hughes mania and disruptive mouth, now shipped out and Adebayor who, as I've said, needs a 24/7 cuddle. To this you could add Balotelli who is always going to be high maintenance, I fear.
c) gaps - some of which have now been filled. Players who have not cut it include Ireland, Santa Cruz, Jo, Lescott, Bridge and (unfortunately) SWP who has lost a lot of his speed.
Mancini is on record as saying he will play more attacking football once his preferred players are in place. Of course this may just be to cheer up the Bluemoon eejits and the MUEN muppets. His real objective is, whichever way the team plays, to nick that 4th place, gets us in the Champs League, attract top drawer players - i.e. complete Phase Two of the plan. So far, he's on course. 5th place with a GD of 50 would be failure.
I don't understand the resentment, particularly by the media, at City's spending. It should be bleedin' obvious to any football supporter of whatever persuasion that, having got the money,we had to put a team together capable of competing for a Champs League spot in a hurry - Phase One. Phase Two is to secure that slot. Phase Three is to have an enhanced academy in place - top quality 16/17/18 year olds who can elbow their way into a team place at 20/21 - so we are 'sustainable' when Twatini's rules become fully operable. Phase 4 is to win major trophies and Phase 5 is to have the bedrock in place so we can stick around among the game's elite.
The other unalterable truths are that Liverpool are - ahem...'history' (that word again); Chelsea are in decline and will need to spend big and United, for all their 7-1 last weekend, are papering over the cracks. And yes. Spurs are as of this moment further down the road to being a complete team than we are. But, watch this space.
Nice one JimmyG2.
To a City fan (even) older than me 'history' means our allowing United share our ground after theirs got bombed in WW2. At the time they certainly couldn't have afforded to build and would most likely have gone under.
'History' remembers It was a City director who suggested that Matt Busby, our DMF, should apply for the vacant United managership rather than emigrate and spend his career twilight playing non-league in Canada.
'History' was when the FA dismantled our superb team in the early days of the 20th C(I think we were paying over the maximum wage) and the players, who naturally wanted to live at home, opted to go to a crap local team, Man United, rather than the then top clubs.
Has the average United fan any knowledge of this 'history'. No. For the older fans 'history' began with the '68 European Cup win. For the younger ones it began with the rise and rise of Baconface. Someone, I can't remember who, said "History is always written by the winners".
'History' doesn't mean much to the average fan. Blackburn Rovers have massive history but I don't think it was much consolation last Saturday night.