"Spurs play primitive football and are extremely naive"
Tuesday, November 30, 2010 at 12:57PM We beat Liverpool 2-1, cue 40+ page thread over at Man City forum Bluemoon about Spurs. Started off innocently enough with one of the locals suggesting Spurs are a better team. Which arguably we've proven to be. Perhaps that will change in the course of this season. We'll have to wait and see. The whole billionaire playboy buys a football club scenario is obviously not the same thing as spending untold millions within your own means. Although both methods can be open to criticism - especially if there is a distinct lack of silverware in the trophy cabinet or no tangible progression.
Not to suggest there is anything wrong with supporting your club no matter the transfer philosophy. And if you happen to see a consortium or the uber-rich take over, you're going to be happy. However, grace and class is hardly something you can pay for. And success is never deserved, it's earned.
Because of the manner of their rags to riches story and their massively over paid 'superstar' signings they (granted it's a fraction of their support that frequent Bluemoon so I'm not tainting all City fans with this paintbrush of ridiculousness) seem to think its a given this will equate to success because how dare success not become them if they've spent millions in such a short space of time with the main objective to dominate. There's a couple of them that have been posting on the forum for several years. You'd think they'd appreciate their humble beginnings and respect their competition and have patience in terms of what goes into the fundamental building blocks of success and a winning mentality. But alas no.
Welcome to Madchester. We spent a few hundred million so book that open bus parade.
That's the problem with this type of 'project'. The expectancy is that glory must be a given. It only worked at Chelsea because of one special reason. And arguably Chelsea were already knocking on the door of the United and Arsenal party.
That's my opinion. Bluemoon's opinion of Tottenham?
"They are on steroids. EPL is a joke if they dont do better doping tests"
"Spurs play primitive football and are extremely naive"
"We are leagues ahead of them, they have a couple of players and a lot of luck. They have no depth and should we want to we could buy ANY of their players to weaken them"
The above are some of the more level-headed statements made. Apparently Lennon only scored the winner in the 93rd minute because he had help, possibly from a doctor who gave him magic energy juice, because its nigh impossible to believe he's an athlete and capable of a burst and run onto goal late on. Hate to think how much of the stuff Tevez is drinking. Perhaps Ricky Villa was on the juice too back in 1981.
Would like to think not all City fans are this backwards. Anyone? Answers on a postcard. Granted in my time I was deluded enough to think Johnnie Jackson was a decent player and Adel Taarabt would be the new Glenn Hoddle. But some of the quoted statements sound like it's come from Davspurs demented northern cousin.
I know, I know, why should we even bother with it. It's a minority, much like any forum or blog following. It's a bunch of people sharing their opinions. And yes, we too have similar ilks of nutters on various message boards preaching in the fickle art of knee-jerk. But I hardly think any of them would venture into this David Lynchesque delusional madness.
Throw enough **** at the wall and some of it will stick. City will get there in the end. But it's hardly endearing. This template has worked before although one or two have hardly managed to sustain it. Someone pointed out how Liverpool - one of the richest clubs in the world in terms of history - have struggled to take hold of the domestic bread and butter like they did in the 70's and 80's. Their cycle might have ended but they've endeavoured. It's naive to think anyone can become someone just because of their fat wallet.
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Reader Comments (159)
I hear what you're saying cityblue, but believe me, the majority of our supporters are ecstatic with the way our club is run and there is certainly no jealousy with what is happening at Eastlands. Contrary to what other fans seem to think, we are very financially stable, yet are still able to spend when needed. We pride ourselves in how succesfully our club is run, not just monetary wise but with the whole infastructure. I've certainly never heard of any jealousy at The Lane or on forums regarding your wealth, least of all when Thaksin was around.
If you'll forgive me for saying so, there are 45 pages of vitriol aimed at us on BlueMoon (a small percentage of the fanbase I know) and 300+ on Villa Talk! They say success breeds contempt so I feel that maybe the jealousy and envy is aimed at us than the other way around.
I think Spurs are better than City. Individual and as a unit. But I might be biased as I have seen both sides play.
I dont mind City though they think that because they have spent a lot of money they should be a shoe in for Champions League.
Milner/Barry/Lescott are average to the extreme.
Surely though City have 2 maybe 3 seasons before the new financial rulings rule them out of Europe anyway? Sort of explains their urgency and want it now mentality Or am I misunderstanding the new rules?
Inzi: yes lads another angry spurs fan on a blog
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lol. Angry? Not quite. I'm scratching my arse over here laughing at you.
Im sure there are many City fans who dislike what is happening there - I know I would had it of been Spurs. It will be close this season between the top sides so lets just enjoy watching it and leave any bravado until its wrapped up. Stay classy Tottenham and all that : )
I met a couple of Man City supporters in a hotel in Newark, the night after the Spurs Red Bulls game, which incidentally had me raving about what Spurs were potentailly able to achieve this season after watching Bale tearing along the flank numerous times and the team really making football an entertaining game. I remember her words well when I questioned her about how she felt about her club trying to buy the title. She said that she envied what clubs like Spurs were trying to achieve and wished the playboy had never got involved with her beloved club. She said she hated the thought of her homely Manchester team being swept to the title by loadsamoney arabs. She also said that just about all her family and friends thought the same way. She was no spring chicekn, rather a diehard 40 soemthing year old true Man City fan. Interesting.
CityBlue - Me (Spurs fan) did not see City as a rival until the start of last season. Especially the way you started. When results come on the board, THEN I make a judgement. I have no jealousy whatsoever to City's financial position. Good luck to you guys. However, you can expect a little ill will from some (not me) Spurs fans when your spending power and threat of spending power and power to decide WHO you deal with interrupts with the planned transfer actions of other teams. All you are seeing is a rivalry between 2 clubs that probably came out of 1981.
so coupla questions then spooks/spurs and city blue.....who's your top 4 this season???
and adebayor..........really? God i hope not.
The start of a slippery slope?
btw......in no particular order chelsea spurs city yanited
Saw this over at glory glory in response to the bluemoon nonsense. Quality read.
SubZero wrote:
I honestly can't see why you're getting wound up by a Spurs-hate-thread at another club's fan forum. And as valiant as it may be, to register to "defend" the club is bordering on embarrasing. They're just like us, a bunch of average Joes sharing opinions about football in general and the team in particular. The fact that they are severely jealous of us doing so well within our financial boundaries is understandable, they thought that money would instant gratification, which it won't. This is elite football, not some two-bob whore house.
Although they have actually achieved some success, they have lifted themselves from deep mediocrity to being a team to be reckoned with on the pitch. They can now go into a fixture against the big'uns with hope instead of quiet defeatism, much like we can now. But noooo, it's not good enough. No baby steps here. Europa League is not proper in only the second season of wealth for a club who hasn't won anything since the battle of Hastings. They have a setup of mish-mash with excellent but square chips in a game of 4-in-a-row.
They also genuinely believe that they deserve it, for being in the drought for so many years. Well guess what, we are countless other clubs in that situation, and apart from the occational fluke from Blackburn, Leeds, Villa and Everton, noone has been able to shake the foundation of the established winners for 40 years. Hell, even Chelsea were a top 6 club (albeit not financially) before they got russian blood money thrown at then. Liverpool, one of the cornerstones of English football hasn't won the league since the 80's, despite the winner's culture and history that flows through that club. Winners are built, not bought, and then I'm not talking about the players in particular but the club as whole.
And they believe that arab oil money can build a team, a joint mentality, a goal and a culture in just a season? That is not delusional, that is plain and utterly stupid. Why didn't they go for a cup or something, to have some kind of foundation to build on? No, they want it all, demand it all, this from a club who was lingering in the third tier of football only a few years ago. Renting a bunch of horrendously overpaid players and expect them to be bloody Barcelona overnight. I used to have a liking for them, even a bit of empathy, but it's all gone now.
Make no mistake, as long as they have a limitless supply of money and can inflate the market by paying average players silly wages, something will come out of it. Maybe not this year or the next, but it will happen. Not so much by buying the best, but ruining for other clubs without the Football Manager cheat option, and skewing the value of stupid people kicking a bladder of leather. Not so much by creating a structure, but by buy, hack and chop until they ultimately get it somewhat "right". Then the City fans will hug, kiss and f*ck each other believing they have achieved some kind of feat. But we as proud Spurs fans should not be dragged down to their arrogant level, and certainly not by further infesting their delusional filth-ridden forums. Yes, they have suddenly become a force. Yes, sooner rather that later they will win something. But they will never, ever be winners.
COYS.
Cityblue, we can argue tiill the cows come home on who has the better side or even better players, but I - and I am not prone to optimism or overstatement, believe me - happen to believe that this Spurs team is rather special. When fully fit and functioning it will lok something like this: Gomes, Bale, Dawson, Gallas, Kaboul; Van der Vaart, Modric, Huddlestone, Lennon; Crouch Defoe. You are talking about a team with maybe one obvious upgrade (Crouch - purists would swap him for Pav anyway). I honestly think it could be the best team in the country. With the best will in the world, I dont think City can currently compete with that 1, but I am sure given time and more money, they will.
And for the record, I dont disagree about our fans. We are indeed a curious mix. I think along with City, we have the most humerous fans in the PL - probably resulting from the years of comedy failure (ours generally expensively acquired - it came with the added horror of expectation!). But we also have a fair old rump of loud mouth Mockney chavs from the new build estates of the home counties. And come on my fellow yiddos - anyone going to WHL regularly knows the type I am referring to. They seem to take pleasure only from abusing our own players when we are not winning, then immediately turning the abuse on the opponent's fans the second we take the lead. All fuelled by Stella. Wnkers.
Personally, don't give a monkey's about City. In the same way I never bothered about Everton and Villa. Just because City have money doesn't make them a better or worse club that us. It makes them different. I think lot's of 'us' have fallen into the Sky Big Four trap. Again, that never has put me up nor down. So the gooners get into the Champions League. What do they win?
Ultimately, a club is judged on two things. Did you win stuff, or how well you play. It's brilliant if you can do both. Did anyone see Barca last night. That's what football is about. If Barca never ever won anything again, but played like that every week, it's who I would want to watch.
So far as this season is concerned, I don't think we are hanging on the coat-tails of anyone. We are having an exciting, enjoyable time and the players are loving it as well. All I hear about City in the press ( and I hate the press with a passion) is the background trouble and strife with their players and management.
I hope City do displace one of the 'Sky Three' as Andy Fucking Gray was talking about on Sunday, but we will hopefully be there at the end as well. We're playing well enough and for me that's brilliant. COYS
Top 4?
Chelsea
United
Arsenal
4th is either us or City. But something tells me it might be both of us, at the expense of one of the others.
Just a gut feeling.
Totally agree, Stinger. We sometimes lose sight of what it is we watch and why we choose to do so.
In an ideal world, both teams would become top 3-4 regulars. It may even be this season, who knows...
Every club has its set of 'those types of fans'. You know, like the ones that will boo Palacios and get on his back for misplaced passes. However, for every couple of thousand of those, there are 30,000+ singing his name back at those idiots.
Barca are a different case scenario from any other club on the planet. EVERYTHING they do exudes class.
You know the bad thing is if we and City do replace two of the top four and we are part of a new monopoly we'll turn into the thing we have despised for years.
The Top Four will be inter-changeable for the next 3-4 years so if its us or City this season it will probably be reversed the next.
Oh and my top 4 would be
1 Chelsea
2 Man U
3 Arsenal
4 Spurs or City
Don't agree Grim. If City consolidate fourth they'll have the power Chelsea do. But with the way they are running the club I doubt they will have prolonged success.
Who thinks Davspurs and Therumourman are one and the same?
I've got an idea how best to settle a football rivalry! Let's all meet up and have a big fight!!! It's a wild and new idea sure, but it could just work! Somewhere halfway. How about Northampton? Yes, yes that'll be good. Okay, tonight 9pm in the Northampton Netto carpark. Afterwards we can all go for a 24 hour McDonalds and talk about hating Man United and Arsenal.
Classic JJ - http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/hawksbee-and-jacobs/blog/2010-11-30/see-snowman-jermaine-jenas-left-alan-huttons-car?
Other teams websites are a good read while you'r waiting for the Beano to arrive.
Unless Sponge Bob is on the tele of course.
Don't fall into the trap of falling into the trap you've set for the other side to fall into.
Billionaires out.
That is a novel idea tehTrunk, but I'm a lover not a fighter!
Lads if the season ended like this would we begrudge a set of fan who have lived next door to a Scottish whiskey nose who Bullied them and called them the noisy neighbours while partying on an open top bus with cups every year. Man city Oilers 1st Spurs entertainers 2nd Man utd penniless 3rd Chelsea in turmoil 4th Arsenal underachievers 5th . I would have put us top but its best to be humble near Crimbo he is watching and i want loads of presses Like champions league Fa Cup and a humble second.
I read as many as I could but half way down read a Man C cretton say that Spurs were 'punching above their weight', 'were lucky', had no 'world class defenders' and it just got so fucking boring I just had to blog or fall asleep in front of the boss.
Man C are not as good as Spurs, either individually or collectively. Spurs have a better manager who makes HUNGRY players good. Man C's manager tries to apeeze egotistical 'big headed' spoilt brats that don't know their arse from their elbow.
They had Stephen Ireland playing for them and he fell apart, telling the Republic of Ireland Manager that he couldn't play in a match because his Granny had just died. She's fitter than he is. Even Shay Given (one of the best goalies in the UK) has lost interest and has become a shadow of himself. The Sun reports this morning that Adebayor may sign for Spurs. Why would Harry want to contaminate a happy squad with an 'ego mainiac' who has ruined any 'feel good' factor that was ever in a team he paid for.
There's so much friction between the players that the cannot or will not gel. The big Italian wants to play somewhere else and he's not even unpacked yet.
Harry Boy will do a Shankley at Tottenham. He already has gone some way down the road to achieving that.
Bad article Spooky.
As a Yiddo, there are just as many Spurs fans who are utter knobheads as there are Citeh fans.
Bluemoon is a Citeh forum where they like to talk up Citeh remember.
SheffSpur - wish I was a footballer.
"What did you do today?"
"Trained. Then fucked about a bit. Then went out and bought a £20,000 watch"
"What's that?"
"Speeding ticket"
"Cool, cool..."
Tom - there's talking up and there's disappearing up your arse and the lads over at Bluemoon and doing the latter. The fact I've highlighted some of our lot made fools of themselves in the past, it was only fair I shared the wisdom of the billionaires club to give one or two readers a lunch time read.
Slow news day.
I've got yet another Stratford article on its way if that helps.
The Manc accent lends itself to whining to be honest. I genuinely dont think it can be contained. To be anything other than a whiny whinger is just not mancunian. It rains a hell of a lot there.
Lets accept that they are different and see the world in a more cynical and joyless perspective, thats just genetics.
Dont hate them, pity them. We have the fortune to be supporting the most exciting progressive club on the planet right now, they have to watch Milner and Baaaaarry. Send them some love.
i agree spooks, my gut is also a rumbling
I am a City fan and have been since 1954. I see you are only just finding out that reading the Blue Moon forum is one of the first signs of madness.
10% of every club's support are completely nuts - more in the case of Wigan (genetic) and Man United (pathetic). 9% of our 10 are, fortunately clustered on Blue Moon where they can rubbish other clubs and discuss what trainers to buy to their hearts' content and the sane 90% can ignore them. Mind you, if you think Blue Moon is batty you should try Repubik of Mancuntia!
For a far saner view of City you should maybe try http://www.izzett.com - although you might find our kaleidoscope of off-topic discussions a bit weird. We'd welcome a bit of contrasting opinion, haven't had any since we lost 'bournemouth rouge' and 'eric' some years ago. We are having a discussion at the minute about how our 'work in progress' (which is all we are) is going.
Anyhow, re Spurs, I think you are more developed than we are. Harry is an obviously good (though unlikeable) manager who has found a way to play that suits the players at his disposal - something Scarf Ace is still working towards. I think the signing of VDV may prove the signing of the season. I don't think your squad is as strong as ours and I think you may struggle as fixtures pile up.
Much has been made of the merits of 'organic wealth' versus 'rich uncle' and personally I don't give a stuff. I'm just glad I don't have to watch the likes of Ged Brannan, Fat Bob Taylor and Lee Badbuy any more.
As a man city fan its interesting to read the comments from both sides, spurs play some great attacking football and in bale have one of the talents of world football at the moment. Many city fans remeber the dark days and simply cannot believe the side we now have, we do however get frustrated at the lack of acknowledgement of the side - people/the press talk about spurs in such glowing terms and don't ridicule Harry when he says you can win the title, yet city are slated and have no chance onf winning the league, yet we are above spurs have played all the top sides. With the fixtures coming up for United, Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal its quite possible city could be at the top of the league by the time we get to x-mas. The main thing city need now is stability - we need to keep the manager in place for a number of years, the supposed in fighting is probably true, it is the manager letting everyone know who is in charge no matter how big the salaries, you have to follow the rules that are in place. People comment on Mancini's treatment of Adam Johnson - in fairness to the manager he is treating him like fergie treated giggs, making sure he learns his trade and learns the lifestyle he needs to have, without this approach we risk having another Lee Sharpe or Gazza - loads of talent - wasted.
Lets hope for a spurs and city top two, with both teams keeping the manager for a few years yet (you best watch out England will be after yours)
Cheers Blue. I'll check it out.
Scott from Repubik is a good lad but not read the forum (just his blog).
@bluevalentine - spot on, although I don't think we will struggle with the fixture pile-up as we have many many players out at the moment who are starting to come back in drips and drabs which should negate that problem. These same players are infact also better than those covering them at the moment so hopefully we will push on once they are back in the team (especially in defence, Dawson/Woodgate/King).
@Spooky - don't we all ! =)
Mate, you hit the nail on the head. I'm an MCFC seasoncard holder (south stand) and would not touch bluemong with your pc. Comments such as the ones you have highlighted make the best of us cringe as if we were witnessing a home defeat by Wigan (sorry).
I reckon if you took a sample of opinion at the ground rather than on some website you would find far more level headed opinion, at least i'd hope so - however with the booing at home vs Brum mebbe even that's not certain. At least you lot would never boo the team off after a mediocre home draw eh?
anyways, good luck for the rest of the season, especially in the CL where imo you have been the only side worth watching.
CTID.
Damn right DAVSPURS is a complete nutter !!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I read the article body I was all prepared to go on the offensive, defending the honour of my beloved Manchester City, but then I read all the comments, and I'll be darned if most of you Spuds chaps aren't frothing at the mouth lunatics! (that came out wrong, I mean you aren't all lunatics!)
"Don't fall into the trap of falling into the trap you've set for the other side to fall into." - JimmyG2
JimmyG2, you are a comedy genius!
Please bear in mind the following -
Almost everything you read about Manchester City in the media is plain wrong, so believe the exact opposite. (it works for media stories on all clubs).
Not one (sane, true) City fan is unhappy about the new owners and the money - it's all fookin magic, all of it.
If it all goes tits up for whatever reason, City fans won't care a hoot, we'll still support City.
City have a long term plan to attain success, it is considerably longer than the three months bandied about in the press this season!
Every football team has a wide variety of fans, some you'd be happy to let date your daughter, others you'd happily push under an oncoming tube train soon as look at them (that would be a tram in Manchester, or a bus, whatever).
It's not easy to be nice about your nearest rivals in the league, but Blackpool are everyone's favourite Premiership team for some reason.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones - are you familiar with the online work of "the guvnor"? (if not, have a look at The Transfer Tavern under Spurs stories for some of his posts, you'll see what I mean).
Can we put to bed this nonsense you need to "organically grow" success, like some giant footballing nursery?
If every Spurs player was homegrown I would say well done, you're right, but they're not, so you're wrong.
No club has anywhere near a majority of academy graduates and is in the top half of the Prem, so it stands to reason you have to buy success.
If Tottenham had spent no money on players and market level wages in the last decade, they'd be playing non-league football by now, so we're debating the scale of investment required for success, not a superior moral highground.
God, I'm boring myself now, I've had to correct these misapprehensions so often.
Best of luck this season, at least you're not West Ham.
Hmmm, I do think this piece might have been poking the bear cage a little out of boredom... Not the finest.
Most Citeh fans I know were pretty indifferent toward the takeover and would have preferred to have gone a more progressive route. I also think the bits you've picked out are bored bluster from maybe the kind of knobhead we all suffer from occasionally... After all, it was only 18 months ago that some Spurs fans on pitchside were calling Bale a Monkey Boy C**t and calling for him to be sold.
I think the main thing to take from the City experience is to wipe the bead of sweat from our brow and say thank god it wasn't us. If the same happened to Tottenham, how would WE cope with it? It's also a lesson to be careful what you wish for. Those fans calling for £500m stadium AND investment in players need to be mindful of where the money comes from.
I think we'll all guilty of taking a stereotype and running with it. Like all Geordie's stand outside St James Park waving banners for Keegan every time there's a crisis.
Oh wait...that ones true, isn't it?
> People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones - are you familiar with the online work of "the guvnor"? (if not, have a look at The Transfer Tavern under Spurs stories for some of his posts, you'll see what I mean).
If it's the person who edits peoples comments and basically creates articles for the sake of the ads on the page, then it's best avoided. But then I'm unsure how many writers work for the Tavern under the Spurs section. Perhaps they're all contracted to write bullshit.
Mes - it was to prove a point - that we could discuss/banter without the angry fist waving and shit filled balloons being thrown around.
A bit of friendly online competition between rivals can be a laugh. Bluemoon has a bit of history with Glory Glory which is why I've shared this...out of boredom.
Soz.
Oh... And for my two penn'orth on Spurs & City. I've got a feeling that the competition between us will edge out more than one of the Sky 4 over the next season or so to create a 'top 6' battling for the big places. With the financial changes planned and the world recession taking hold, there is going to be a much more level playing field for the next few seasons and that can only be good for football.
@grim/billy d/blue v - ah , more rational fans, two days on the bounce, be welcome, come one come all !!
Fair enough on the debate issue... Planned or not - loving your post rationalisation btw ;) it seems to have done the trick and there's been some fantastic comments from both sides.
I read that blog this morning and found it quite funny! Why do their fans assume that they have a better squad then Spurs? So because they pay 25m for James Milner or 22m for Lescott that makes them 25m and 22m players? I don’t think so Milner is worth around 10m and Lescott 8m in the cold light of day IMO so in “City’s money” how much is Modric, VDV or Bale worth? 35m, 40m and 50m respectively? I’d like to know what in their eyes makes their squad better then ours? Because they paid more?
Also quite a few comments on there were going on about how “lucky” we were against Liverpool because they had 3 1on1’s well we had 2 off the line and a missed pen so why were we lucky? Also Aaron “druggie” Lennon scored in the 92nd min not due to luck but the fact that our mentality was to win the game and Liverpool had already accepted the point and were planning the coach ride home in their heads!! How’s that luck?
One last thing a few pointed to the table as proof of their superiority over us, well we have finished above them how many seasons in a row now? Surely you need to finish above us a few seasons before you spout such crap?
So in closing my message to the City fans is simple- finish above us 2 seasons in a row and you can start to think your better then us because you don’t get that status by buying a load of over priced players!!
Got to be honest, wasn't sure if this was going to go pearshaped. I can't get away with a West Ham or Arsenal article geared up for the same response because it's nigh impossible to discuss anything with them.
I can't say if this is true for City or not but I know something that sets us apart and gives us an edge.....
Right before kick off, what do you see us doing? Kicking the grass with another-day-at-the-office posture?
No. Our men are locked arm and arm in a circle, getting focused while the captain rallies them for the coming battle.
If faith in good old fashioned teamwork and spirit is naive....well then so be it. But the season is long and it gets cold and has its ups and downs. The sides.that can pull strength from each other will finish on top.
> People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones - are you familiar with the online work of "the guvnor"? (if not, have a look at The Transfer Tavern under Spurs stories for some of his posts, you'll see what I mean).
If it's the person who edits peoples comments and basically creates articles for the sake of the ads on the page, then it's best avoided. But then I'm unsure how many writers work for the Tavern under the Spurs section. Perhaps they're all contracted to write bullshit.
Nov 30, 2010 at 3:53 PM | Registered Commenterspooky
You're thinking of Escapini, the moderator / author, who is also a self confessed Spuds fan - he really sucks, but as you say, he does it for the infamy and hits, whereas the "guvnor" is merely a poster, and a proper dimwit!
I am fascinated by the Transfer Tavern, in the same way a car crash at the side of the motorway as you're driving past is compelling, you know you shouldn't look, but you do anyway! It is by far the worst football website I've ever come across, and I'm including Goal.com and Tribal Football here too.
City- Small club with money and no class or history to talk of, constantly wishing they were United and then when the money comes expecting to have it all. Well, last season proved them lacking and we were the ones on top gaining CL.
At the end of this season we will see, until then STFU you bunch of nonces.
Looking forward to a top 6 rivalry thing going on in the next few years. Sounds a lot more interesting.
All forums have nutters, football or otherwise regardless of the team or what have you. Though was pretty funny some of the comments suggesting Lennon was 'doped up'. I enjoyed hearing Lennon refer to Gallas as 'blud' during their interview, fresh..
And Big Sky reminded me of the circle thing before the game. Does Benoit ever bother even to try to appear slightly interested in these? Can't that guy can't fight his apathy for just a few seconds? :p