Monday
Jan172011
'North London is ours'
Monday, January 17, 2011 at 10:51AM
Three protests yesterday. One outside the gates, 'We are N17' with petitions outside the Bell and Hare pub and at half-time, a lady by the name of Helen inspiring one or two to sing a song. A girl after my own heart.
Didn't make the tv (that last one) but point made. She was ejected, expected, but not banned - which would not have made good PR had the club gone down that particular route.
If anyone has any more vids or photos, please share.
Reader Comments (78)
I like a girl with spunk?
Yep, I was just a bit further along the shelf. I thought the Police/Stewards were stuffed. They couldn't have got her down from there without some serious danger.
Think she had suctioned herself on there Helen.
500 out of 36000 not much support then
5,000 out of millions not much support on the we then
I know protesting is fun and cool!
I suppose you will all come creeping back once we are at Queen Elizabeth Park or the determined will become scummers, if you love North London that much.
Somehow, with the size of the protests you probably won't be missed. more tickets for the new supporters, who will all love QEP. Progress or you will be left behind. "Come on you progressive Spurs"
Sadly Malcolm that is the state of affairs. Some fans just don't care as much or have completely different opinions on this accepting the first alternative to N17 as being the only alternative.
Wasn't at the game yesterday (stuck in the midlands). How was support for and against Stratford like in the stands? In the Park Lane and Shelf Side?
Great stuff : )
A message to Malcolm Turner.
you can go to Stratford with a smug grin on your stupid East end face.
anyone that dismisses our true home that easily is no true Tottenham fan.
I will never follow Spurs to Stratford, but would support the new protest club that will evolve.
You make me sick. your 'progress' is anything but.
north london is ours
north london is ours
3-2 at the emirates
north london is ours
Season ticket holder and at the game yesterday.
Most fans around me including myself fully in support of the move to Stratford.
My dad was the only on who was against it and that only on the basis
that its an extra 20mins journey for him. Nothing against the move in principle.
That burck lammy has dont nothing but make it difficult for spurs fance for years
as evidenced by removing all the free parking zones around the club making more pressure on public transport.
we will alway be tottenham but its only 4 miles and will make us into one of the best clubs in the world instantly
wilth very managable debt levels and a stadium with iconic meaning all over the world
it is the only option,
stratford and in the champions league year in year out
n17 - crippling debts no transfer budget and back to mid table
mmmm not a hard decision
The size of the protest has no bearing on the people opposed to the move....
1pm protest before a 4pm game? Most people were either in bed, or in the pub.
In the ground, when you have 20,000 singing against a move, you know the true feeling of the fans.
we should go to stratford
Malcom Turner and then Daniel Turner eh? Goons or Spammers.
Polls show its 80% against the move. You can never stop a few fans from other clubs posting hear but I think all real Tottenham fans are very much against it.
North London is ours : )
Stand up if you hate stratscum should be the chants at the next game. Lets see if there are actually any amongst us.
She sits 6 seats down from me in block 32... sadly wasnt at the game yesturday as I had a bad case of manflu but she did the Park Lane proud. Well done Dodds
Close the comments on this thread spooky.
We're going over old ground yet again - spurs fans vs people posting for the board/gooners.
We have this debate going on tehtrunks article - pointless starting it up again, so i strongly suggest closing comments as you did with the other thread last week.
You have drawn the attention to the video and thats important - comments here are pointless.
let them come to tehtrunks thread and take on smiley...
The last thing we need is bitterness and animosity between Spurs fans. The whole Northunberland/Startford affair is so political/such a spinfest that we dont know the real facts/motivations.
If for example there was a direct choice between Straftord or just staying at WHL (because we cant afford Northumberland) would we really be happy just staying as we are? We have been punching above our weight for a while, with a good manager. We have been helped by charging some of the highest ticket prices around.
If we dont enlarge our ground we may have an occasional good year but cannot sustain a top four place, so will have to accept competing for Europa places and losing our best players to the richer clubs. All those who are desperate for a top class striker may have to wait a while longer but will Modric, Bale and VDV be willing to wait, especially if Harry leaves?
I wouldnt criticse anyone for having an emotional attachment to the existing ground, even at the expense of success but the fact is that we as fans will have little influence on the decision compared to the huge amounts of money at stake so we may as well respect each other's points of view.
Is it almost worth including that articles comments with each new related piece then?
i dont ever want to move from north london how can we be the famous spurs playing in stratford we can be a big club in north london
where are these polls? Ive not seem them, maybe its only the N17 mob being asked to participate
I can understand Spurs fans wanting to stay in Tottenham but it could mean very limited transfers and huge debt for many years if we redevelop the lane or build a new ground. The club might just sit still for a while and it could be quite tough…
Arsenal are managing to do it because they have the great youth system in place therefore don’t need the cash to keep in that top four….unfortunately we don’t have a reserve team.
The move to a ready made stadium (Straford) makes complete financial sense which plays a MASSIVE part in how we will perform and what players we will have at Spurs.
Have a look chub if your a real fan you would have seen them.
The point PLN makes actually works against him/her - If people can't be bothered to show up to protest because they are in bed or at the pub then they obviously don't actually care. If they have the passion that gets voiced all over the web then its not asking too much to actually show up and do it in person.
Personally I'm all in favour of the move and that doesn't make me any less of a fan that anyone else. It just means that I'm in the group of fans who can think with their brains and not just with their hearts. The only fans who should be opposing this move are those who live in the immediate vicinity of the ground, but unfortunately for those people, in the modern global game they make up a tiny fraction of the fanbase.
Let's move to a new stadium, win some trophies and start making our own history.
That said, I still don't really see it happening as there is no way the council will let the club leave as it will totally kill the area.
Why wasn't the 'New Training Ground Site' ever considered as the new stadium site.
Why are we accepting Stratford as the only viable option? Why are we not looking at other ways to cut costs in N17? Unless ENIC always had the intention of going for the OS site.
the said Helen used to be babysat by Bill Nic's wife when she was a kid. How about that for a story? 100% true.
the club has clearly deployed a number of employees to hammer the pro-stratford message on the interwebz.
i'm hoping that levy just holds his ground until the council changes their tune substantially and backs spurs, not necessarily with funds, but certainly with greenlighting a whole bunch of measures, removing red tape and lowering demands for the gentrification of tottenham high road to be spur' onus alone.
COYS!
Tim,
Point 1 - You can't spell Stratford.
Point 2 - It's not ready made if we are ripping it down and rebuiling it.
While Hart Lane has a goal at each end, with some grass in the middle, a win there gets you three points, the same as it will at Stratford.
Moving doesn't guarantee success
500 out of 34000 Spurs fans at game (rest were Man U) or 15%. So significant proportion of people attending. Plus several thousand in ground who joined in the anti Stratford chanting in ground. 5800 have now taken time to say NO to Stratford on the online petition. Many of these are season ticket holders, which they are, and many of these decide not to renew if we become an East London club, then that would be a serious dent to Levy's coffers.
Man on train with can of Stella was against Stratford move.
Any other arguments are invalid.
For every Tottenham Hotspur home game, I travel by car from Bromley, which for those of you who don't know is a South London Borough. I drive past the O2 Arena, formerly a white elephant known as the Millennium Dome, and leave South London by way of the Blackwall Tunnel, and enter North London, so called because it is north of the River Thames, as distinct from South London which is..........wait for it.................south of the River Thames. As I drive further northwards along the A12 past Old Ford and reach the verge of Hackney Wick, I pass, on my right, a temporary structure currently known as the Olympic Stadium, and on the horizon to my right, the edge of Stratford. It is noticeable that when that Meccano-like structure is removed, it will be the ideal location, situated as it is in the North of London, for a top-class stadium for a North London Football Club. I proceed onto and around the North Circular Road, by choice, rather than direct to the ground, so that I miss out as far as possible the thoroughly depressing environment of Haringey, and the area currently known as Tottenham within it. Unfortunately, when returning home after matches I am obliged to travel through this soulless environment, as the travel restrictions around the ground are so conducive to log-jam if I try to get back on the North Circular. Note that I am unable to start this journey until at least half an hour after the match has finished, as a result of the same traffic restrictions. As I leave I pass hordes of weary pedestrians on their long trek to Seven Sisters tube station, assuming that is that Tfl have deigned to run trains on the Victoria Line that day.
There are some who feel that being treated with contempt by the Local Authority, the police and the traffic authorities in this location still allows the area ito be part of the soul of Tottenham Hotspur. After 55 years of regularly attending Tottenham Hotspur matches, being a shareholder (100 shares) and a season ticket holder since 1971, I beg to differ. I fervently hope that Tottenham Hotspur wins the right to build a new state of the art stadium in an economically feasible manner, in an area of North London with good transport links, and is thus able to escape the hell-hole that is Haringey, and not be subjected to the whims of the bloodsucking vested interests which infest that area of London.
Then when the Club has moved I suggest it sues the London Borough of Haringey to stop it using the name Tottenham, the meaning of which to the outside world is limited the the name of the world-famous football club which brings such pride and honour to the word, and hides the squalor of the location it is currently forced to inhabit.
People are still reading far too much into the Stratford situation than they have to right now:
If we are trying to force the Council to find a way to help us, financially, with the WHL project then we need to show them that we have a rock solid alternative.
We cannot threaten them if we have no options. Stratford is an option but until we are selected as preferred bidders, it is a hollow threat that we will move there.
Islington bent over backwards to facilitate Arsenal's move to Emriates. Lets not forget they built that "in the good times" and had about £150m income from the redevelopment of Highbury. Our stadium costs the same but we lack that income and cooperation from the Council who have infact added huge cost to the project.
Levy knows what the fans want and he will do everything to ensure that we get it. He is very shrewd. However he will not let us stand still, so he will use everything in his power to make sure WHL happens, and is affordable, and that includes threatening the Council that we will leave in order to gain some support from them/the Government. If after his best effort the Council fail to make any difference, then he will consider Stratford as a serious option. But until we are in a position to say Stratford is ours, our threats to the Council are hollow.
He cannot speak publically about this otherwise he will be "showing his hand"
SO i urge patience from the fans....if you want to protest, it should be at the door of the Council, Lammy MP. I would suggest people contact Lammy to make their feelings known! Not supporting him because he is acting in a destructive way but urging him to find help to enable the WHL project to happen....afterall it will begin regeneration of his constituency we he supposedly "loves" but has let it spiral down and down.
http://www.davidlammy.co.uk/contact.htm
As out MP he should be helping THFC, being constructive, lobbying other ministers / departments to try and secure funding/support NOT simply trying to undermine our only alternative.
Most fans I know can see that the Olympic option makes sense for our club, its pathetic that a couple of paranoid posters on here are trying to put out the message that all pro Olympic posts are fake
Stratford was historically an agrarian settlement in the ancient parish of West Ham , becoming the centre of administration of the Borough of West Ham in 1886 .
500 in 34000 only comes up at 1.5%, not 15%, it's hardly significant, is it?
RBS- 500 out of 34000 is 1.5% not 15%.
Is the name RBS a wind up?
All you Stratford lovers go support the spammers!! North London is ours and it's were we should stay! We hate woolwich for treading on our ground and we would be no better, let them have Stratford and we can sit back and laugh at the balls up they make of it!! N17 COYS
I've been blogging on here for about a year or more now, so I'm definately a Tottenham supporter. As far as I'm concerned everyone is entitled to their opinion and I think the idiots on here calling pro-Stratford bloggers Gooners and traitors should think again.
I'm suspicious of the Stratford move, simply because it already has the infrastructure to and from all over the UK and to Europe (Eurostar) and at a £250m investment, would become a very saleable football club. Levy could ride into the sunset with £100m in his arse pocket and Tottenham would be left with no home they can call their own.
That's only because I'm the suspicious kind.
park lane 68 - what a joke, you think by using that as a username you somehow add weight to your argument. Nobody with that username would actually want to leave. If your Park Lane your hardcore and Tottenham through and through.
@devonshire Spur - In that case DL wont mind us protesting. Im not leaving it to chance.
Love it!
Say no to Stratford, North London is ours.
Stratford Dons would really suck.
Man on train with can of Stella was against Stratford move.
Any other arguments are invalid.
Lol classic
For me thats a pro Stratford statement, although your other posts suggest that you believe random man with a can of piss should be taken seriously!
"Tottenham would be left with no home they can call their own" <- Exactly this.
Good post by Devonshirespur.
I'm not entirely convinced Levy is using this as a ploy to beat Harringey Council over the head with but I hope so as I want us to stay at WHL. People who make comments about it will make their journey easier etc are just being purely selfish.
With regard to the funding of WHL redevelopment however - does anyone seriously think this is unaffordable and that Levy would have gone to all the trouble and outlay of buying up land and spending millions on fees over the last 5 years if he thought we could never afford to build it anyway ?
Stratford is Plan A not Plan B. It never has been
any idiot that thinks otherwise is daft.
If you think AEG one of the world bigguest and best entertainment company's have agreeed a partnership
with Spurs just to help us get harrigay council to give spurs a few million then you need to think again.
If you think spurs have continued to appoint top members of the olymic and stratford stadium project managers to our board and they have decided to risk their reputation for a stadium we have no intention of getting then again your as daft as a brush.
if you think real spurs fans cant be pro stratford (I am a seasonticket holder and have been to most away games this year including the ones abroad) then again mad.
i want a fantastic state of the art stadium, that will make us a leading club with 60K+ seats, i dont want to be saddled with horrific debts that will limmit our transfer budget for years to come, if that means moving 4 miles down the road then as a true spurs fans ill travel the extra distance to go. if you would abbandon the club so easily then you cant be a real fan. daniel levy is the best chairman in the league bar none and he will make the right decision for the club, in 2020 when were in the champions league, have great players, an amazing stadium and money to spend in the market people will forget the 500 protesters in the stadium and as for the other 20,000 protesters who were so commited o theee protest they couldnt leave the pub well what else needs to be said
On to more immediate and pressing issues, where's this Number 9? If I have to wait another 6 months for a top drawer striker i think i'll have to start a petition... and perhaps organise a march!
I reckon i'll get more than "500" on that protest...
I'm with Devonshire and am prepared to wait til i hear it from the horses mouth (Mr Levy) a full breakdown of whether we are:
a) Staying at WHL, how the transport infrastructure around the stadium will be improved and the impacts of the NDP will have on our financial stability.
b) Moving to Stratford and the reasons why he believes that is the best option for the club.
c) Being sold to the Qatar royal family.
Im sure the club can afford to redevelop WHL, but will obviously have to take on massive debt to do so. Then you have to factor in time. Haringey haven't been very quick so far and I cant see any change in their approach. You have to remember Spurs were invited to bid on the OS, im sure Levy was surprised more than anyone when he received that phone call. But if he's see a chance to save the club 200M and a new stadium within this decade, of course he's going to be all over it!
it makes me sad to see how many amongst us support the move , seems like the fans have adopted the money hungry filosophy of the EPL and it's corporate partners
Football has become a soulless business ...
The World cup goes to Qatar and Russia (although that is a bit more understandable then the oil states), City are allowed to make mega transfer without having to propose a solid budget, footballers wearing pink boots because they get paid for it, game footage on the internet is instantly deleted, corporate sponsors decide when games are played, getting in the CL equals success, clubs move away from their heritage for the sake of financial progress, players kiss the club logo and then threaten to leave for a that extra million on their bank account and so on ...
The kids today want to become pro's for the girls and the money (not that i would say no to all that off course) and no longer because they adore the game of football. A game i have been playing for so long now and amongst my teammates i feel almost no love for the result or the art of football , only for the size of their match day premiums
My little brother plays for the youth of a prof Belgian football team and all they talk about is becoming a rich well known player , to get that car , that blond brainless bimbo and the louis vitton handbag.
Passion and love of the game was what made this sport great , it seems that only the fans still believe that this is the core of the game. Everyone else involved is just in it for the big bucks.
I am feeling very old now ...
Cookiebun, the reason why we couldn't use the site where the new training facility is due to the fact we had so many problems securing planning approval just for the training facility, so a new stadium there was a no-no.
Plus the training facility is in Bulls Cross, Enfield, London Borough of Enfield EN2... so those opposed to a move to Stratford would have the same arguments in moving to Enfield.
We are Tottenham, super Tottenham, we are Tottenham from the lane!
Oh and just think its 500 fans who turned up for the protest. Thats even before the preferred bidder is announced. It will only get bigger.
I also think a fair few stratscum fans might all of a sudden realise they have been sleeping with the enemy and the reality of moving away from our home is not what they had wanted.
Quite sad to see the pro N17 crew being so aggressive towards those who can see the clear merits of the move.
Some on the various may be PR stooges - some are definitely not. (I'm not a stooge I promise!)
I think everybody is in agreement that our current stadium is not fit for purpose. The atmosphere can be amazing but we could fill it twice over. The facilities are shockingly bad
I'm a season ticket holder in Park lane upper and was at the game yesterday - there was clearly a lot of protest coming from the lower shelf side (and the fans down there are always the most passionate) - I can't really see below to the Park Lane lower so can't comment on that but the Park Lane Upper fans weren't protesting too much. The rest of the ground seemed pretty silent on the issue other than a banner down in Paxton.
The overall point to be made is that this whole situation sums up modern football at the top level. Clubs don't operate as a means to reward/entertain the working man they exist as businesses. Whilst we all love Spurs the reality is that we are paying customers and if Spurs are to prosper on the pitch by getting the best players etc then we need more paying customers. United and Arsenal can pull in almost twice as many "customers" every week that's an extra £1.5-2m per game (so £60m per year). It's shit but money talks. The cost of staying at WHL and developing it is looking like £450m - the cost of developing the Olympic site is going to be half that. I guess the pro N17 crew would say the club's "soul" is worth more than £250m but is it? Previously Levy and co were looking at Enfield as an alternative - Stratford is way better than that isn't it?
I think you've got to admire the fact that the plans for stratford are very uncompromising - building a "football stadium" with an emphasis on atmosphere (learning the lessons from the emirates) - getting rid of the running track etc. It may be in the wrong postcode for some people but every effort will be made to make it amazing.