Seven more wins
Monday, February 27, 2012 at 12:32PM Sibs and the maths of Tottenham.
Played 26
Won 16
Win rate = 61.54%
61.54% of 38= 23(.4) games won
23 wins = 69 points
61.54% of 114 = 70.2 points
This should be a fourth place finish.
However obviously the teams below are playing at a lower win rate (logically) - so as it stands it should still be good enough for 3rd by the time the points for a few draws are added
Chelsea away to WBA next weekend.
a***nal away to Liverpool
Us home to Man U - can't see too many points for us or the two teams below.
Not including Man Utd we have 5 home games against beatable opposition.
36 points to play
Points to reach secure CL: 72
7 Wins
If you account for a few draws we can afford to lose another 3 games and should still be reasonably comfortable for 3rd/4th without getting sucked in to a fight for 4th
For crunching of numbers keep this page bookmarked.
In short:
DON'T PANIC.
Reader Comments (51)
After yesterday am i the only person who wouldn't be too disappointed to see Harry piss off the England? He was completely out of his depth yesterday and looked lost as to how to change it. After the Man City game in August he said a capitulation like that would never happen again. In my mind yesterday was worse. To take the next step we need a manager with a 'win at all costs' mentality- which admittedly is hard to find.
Trev
We need to forget about everything that has come before and focus on our 12 game season that begins at home to Utd.
We would have all taken the current league table at the start of the season with the 12 games that we have to play.
5 wins and 4 draws will do it. It really should be straightforward and any failure to acquire the necessary will be due to psychological factors. Yesterdays result will only matter if we finish below Arsenal, otherwise it's just one game where they get to be happy.
28pts from beginning 12. 25pts from middle 14. The last 12 requires only 19pts really - Six wins, maybe even five will do it.
Oh Trev, one game and its get rid of Harry? Come on. We're third in the table, and at the start of the seasonwe weren't sure of being in the top four or even five.
The goons still have to play Liverpool away, Man City home, Newcastle home, Chelsea home and Stoke away.
Not sure they can afford to lose many games between now and May. Doubt very much they will avoid that.
I am confident that we'll finish third.
Bad day at the office, we are still the best team in London.
I'm not worried, this was always going to be our toughest run.
Exactly Shannon. Since when is losing away to Arsenal out of any depth? Before Harry we hadn't beaten Arsenal in ages, and at Highbury even longer. When the lineup was announced, I could not believe that we went with a 4-4-2, and worse still with Niko (not Lennon) on right. However we went 2-0 up. But we were lucky, and all Arsenal needed was the realisation that they need to get back quick, and then our luck ran out....quickly. We lost the first 2 games to the top 2. Then we only lost away to City, Arsenal, and Stoke - who are never a banker at their home ground. If we had offered that to you at the start of the season, you would have taken it. Give some people a sniff of title possibility, and suddenly they get disappointed. Reality time... We STILL we be gutted if Harry goes. Do you want me to remind you? Christian Gross, Santini, Gerry Francis... Changing manager is risky, and could be the end of our renaissance. I know that it has to happen sooner or later, but why do people think that bettering 3rd is easy?
Just like those maths, we should've beaten Arsenal on paper. But we didn't.
Harry better hope he gets the England job soon, because it may not be there for him later when he gets found out.
Still smarting from yesterday (& hungover) Ouch, it does hurt still, but thats football isnt it.
Come On You Spurs
Harry shown up tactically (again), Spurs still soft when it matters, Bale doing his best Beckham impression (I'm wasted on the wing, guv - play me in the centre of the park) and throwing in some Ronaldoesque diving. The wheels are coming off and I fear we'll finish 5th.
Oh, and there is every reason to start panicking. After we lose to Utd and our London rivals win (which my money says they will) we'll be just 4 points clear with 11 games left to play.
...For goodness sake. How many teams have WON more at home than us? Just City. Away? City and United. The chasing pack need to improve to overhaul us. I do not see it. Rosicky will not play like that always. Other teams will plug up midfield - like we should have done. Walcott will revert to poor finishing again... And they still rely on RVP too much. Chelsea have a bunch of non-scoring forwards - like us last season... And rely on Mata. We STILL score. We are still dangerous. At home we are still hard to beat.
Fast forward and we beat Manu for the first time in a century and the hyperbole of optimism will be back.
Luckily as spurs fans I think we maintain a level of acceptance to these types of results, it's still no massive shock to me. We are a different team but one that is still learning, less talk, less arrogance, back to basics, more back to working hard, thats where we improved, work rate and it wasn't there on Sunday.
At least we all support our team when the going gets tough, something arsenal fans don't remember how to do.
Coys
To be fair, I know plenty of pragmatic goons who will admit to a lot more than your average teenager who trolls Spurs blogs. Hence why they struggle to support their side. They only know Post-Wenger Arsenal.
Yes I agree that Harry was shown up tactically but for me there are two fundamental issues here.
1) Why does he persist to adopt this schoolboy philosophy of never changing a winning team? Not sure what I mean? Look back at our worse performances over the last couple of seasons. I think you'll find that they are usually preceded by a solid victory against a lowly ranked outfit (Man U away this season for example), either in the PL or a European competition. The team wins against the weaker opponents, so Harry puts out the same team, creates no doubt a bit of respect and solidarity amongst the playing squad, but at the expense of the result
2) We will not seriously challenge for the league until we have a Roy Keane type leader who demands and insists upon high level performance. Every player should be expected to play in the positions assigned to them (referring here to Bale and VDV) and every player should be expected to give 100% and run until they can't run any more (Adebayor & Modric spring to mind). An on-pitch general would ensure the discipline we clearly lack.
Redknapp is an ex-player and as such, he carries this sentimentality about respecting and caring for players' feelings. At 2-0 we were still getting sh&t upon. That was the time to take off Krancjar for Sandro and force Saha to play out wide. Yes his team selection was wrong but we all make mistakes - it's how you deal with them during the match that will ultimately decide whether or not you win things. He doesn't have the cut-throat mentality to be the best, however, he has enough ability to secure us 3rd place and potentially win us the FA cup.
Let's hope Harry gets the balance right for next weekend's game. Play 4-5-1 with lots of width. We can beat Man U but only with the right line up and on-pitch discipline.
Spurs will finish 3rd and Chelsea will finish 4th. Arsenal had their day yesterday but simply looking at their run in and their away performances this season means that's all they've got to crow about. Let them have that for a short amount of time because unless their form chances dramatically over the next couple of months they won't be in the CL next season and that has massive implications on their wage bill which will more than likely have to be paid for from the transfer kitty they have and therefore they won't improve much in the summer unless they choose to cash in on RvP.
One game doesn't change the simple facts of a season. We are the 3rd best team in the country and that's how we'll finish. (hopefully with the FA Cup in the cabinet so we remember the season in 20years time).
I am still so depressed about yesterday, depressed and angry. That was our game, they were there for the taking and we blew it. Blew it big style. As usual all the Harry haters suddenly jump out of the woodwork but yesterday had nothing to do with Harry. Yes he picked the team but that team was and is more than capable of beating l'arse, the players for whatever reason never showed up. At 2-0 we did not look comfortable, there was no obvious passion. This is the enemy, if there is one game in a season that we have to win it is this one. I don't care that we are bove them in the league (obviously I do but I am tryiny to make a point) we have to beat them when we are given the opportunity to and yesterday without a doubt was such an opportunity! Any player who dons the lilywhite shirt and is selected to face them must be willing to give everything, 100% effort 100% of the time. I don't recall any player doing so yesterday.
COYS
oh dear, look at the time, it's 2(0) past 5????!!!!
With the best spud team in years, versus the worst asnal team in centuries, and you get your anals whooped. i mean what will happne when we actually wake up and remember your premature crowing this season and start another cycle of arsenal owning spuds. Oh how we did enjoy our Sunday roast yesterday, but the roasted spuds tasted especially better after being marinated in some sauce called 'delusion'. I for one was dreading this game thinking you caught us with our pants down, but to actally give you a beating with our pants down????!!! WTF man (ala Eric Cartman, southpark). You will never get this chance again and i actually feel very proud to have ended your (uhum, LOL) 'title bid':). And mark my words, the annual spurs collapse starts now, so okay we wont be celebrating st Totteringham day, but we have invented another one called 'sunday spud roast', YUMMY:)
Looking at the fixtures for us, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool, we have the hardest set of fixtures and one more away game versus home unlike Arsenal.
We have issues around balancing the team, getting Ade to play more like a striker and creating a CM pairing that will both attack and defend. We also need leadership on the pitch but who can provide that of the current crop...maybe Billy will return soon...he knows never to give-up and isn't shy about abusing those who do.
It will be a true testing time for us. The capability is there for 3rd but is the spirit and management up to the task?
Is every online Arsenal fan sixteen years old? You appear to be celebrating the victory as if you've upset the odds, beating the better side. Oh wait a second...
"You will never get this chance again"
Why is that? Has the Sky Sports Era just been rebirthed? What am I missing? Have all of Arsenals problems disappeared? Well done on the result lad, gets you away from sobbing away after the Brummies robbed you of silverware last season. You know, in that cup competition that hardly mattered for years but go a speedy promotion to 'silverware' when you reached the final. Tick tock tick tock.
Spooky (apt name today, as yous lot must have been spooked yesterday).
As arsenal born and bred, i never look down and hence i never thought about you lot except when when we play each other. However, this season Arry and his chums assembled a decent team while we imploded in spectacular fashion, leaving us weak, vulnerable and cluless for most of the season. So when the 'best spurs team' in almost 40 years takes a beating from theo and co it must be celebrated in any case, but to do it the 'arsenal' way and wipe the floor with your supposedly titel chasing stars is huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugely satisfying for us gooners. I now i know why you hate us. because you fear and envy us. The reason i say you wont get this chance again is because we were never this low and yet, we give you a lesson in beatiful football and a drubbing to go with is. That's why we love the Arse and you hate it. next weekend will be telling, especially if the 'gap' will be down to 4, but i know what will happen so i have already created a song '10 points, and you fucked it up, ten points'.
Listen, i have never met more deluded fans than the spuds, and i enjoy nothing more than seeing them suffer. to actually have the privilege of causing the suffering, well, that calls for the 'sunday spud roast' methink.
PS: tell your spuds to stay away from lazagne, their guts can't handle it.LOL
Sid- You cannot spell Lasagne -enough said.
Listen up u gooner shit for brains ahole - for someone so lofty and purebred assenhole we thank you for taking the time to post on a spurs forum. Looking down past your slobby belly must be hard. Your team is a one trick pony with rvp, who amazingly has not been injured yet. No doubt there is still time. After him who u got? Theo baby in the cot. Lol. Wasnt it u lot booing him off half time. What a bunch a loyal fans, you must be proud. So your dross team beat us. No excuses. What excuses did you make when we beat u at the lane? What excuses when manure did you with 8 past that solid defense you have? What excuses when AC beat u by 5? Your team is dross and fifth place will be better than u deserve. Being just a filler side in the champion league you lot are, getting your kicks looking down at the what is now the best london side. Get over it even though it must hurt like hell, or hang on to the past.
Sid, I guess Man Utd blogs are no longer an option?
What went wrong buddy?
Cheer up yiddos, we beat them 5-1 and Jermaine Zidane Jenas made them look like idiots. Let them enjoy their cup-final victory.
i love reading this site and often opposing fans come on and talk sense - its enjoyable banter and whats makes football tick - then theres prats like sid that ruin it -
sid no doubt you are reading this - how sad are you fella - by all means gloat and by all means talk about yesterdays game as boy did you spank us - but dont just spout crap it ruins a bloody good site which at the moment us wounded fans need - so piss off..
re the comments tonight - lots of maths going on - my heads buzzing - we can do it 26 games say so - please all believe if we get all nervous players will sense change in atmosphere and we will be served more of yesterday...COYS!!!
Like I said, their reaction belittles them and they don't even see it.
A taste of the England job? One bad day at the office and we all want Harry's head. It was a game unrepresentative of both Spurs and Arsenal this season, I can't now see both teams playing like they did in that game for the rest of the season. The more bull**** I hear from Gooners, the sweeter it'll be when we finish above them. I look at their fixtures and think they could lose any one of them. COYS!
I would not worry too much about old Sid. It is simply a Mycoplasma genitalium of the type found in and around that club.
It's been very quite today! cOnly VDV has spoken and Harry has been missing!
Let get behind our club and let's go for it. Back to basics on Sunday, 4411 and let's get at least a point and push on from there.
COYS.......
What I dont get is u arsenal fans do remember we beat u at the lane. Its just oane game mates. I guess ur happy because its been a while. Anyway we sat way too deep and wasn't up for it. Bale back on wing pls ur not ronaldo.. COY
We need to get f***ing real and stop beleiving the hype! seriously! the only reason we're 3rd is because the Arse and the Chavs have had shocking seasons! We've been spanked by the Mancs and the Arse and we're still in the FA Cup 'cos we havent played anyone in the top divisions. we need to buy 3 TOP CLASS players and get rid of the deadwood! I'll put my hand up now and say if offered 4th i would take it now. got a bad feeling.... Bale's diving, Sandros gumshield, Bennys hair, Lennons eyebrows... Anyone focussing on the football? sure weren't any on sunday, swaggering like peacocks and getting gubbed with a 2 gial head start. sort it our Harry!
I remember after we won the mythical game in hand and went 8 point clear of our 4th spot and all our rivals said \\\"we'll implode becasue we've got all of the top 7 before the end of March\\\", two thirds of the way through this run, and having just lost to Arsenal, the gaps still there. So chill
We've been better then Arsenal and Chelsea all season before Sunday and will continue to be so afterwards. Neither of those two teams are good enough to close that gap
Spurs will finish 6th. My Sangoma says so.
We played like fuckin PRIMA DONNA's (sp?) and deserved the beating.. The gooner game highlights the need to return to basics. BAE was awful and seemed more interested in filling the vacant left wing slot than defending.. Bale needs to stop 'ffing around up the middle & stay wide left to stop Benny wandering forward so often. Lennon needs to stay wide right. This will give the team shape and then teams will start fearing the shit that we are capable of dishing out. Personally I'm sick of Redknapp tinkering with formations & tactics - this has never been his strong point and never will be.. England you have been warned!
Arrrrrgggghhhhhh.
'Harry's out of his depth'
'When we lose to Man Utd on Sunday' - The Fox
'The wheels are coming off' - The Fox
Sunday hurt, it hurt bad but moronic panic ridden garbage like the above is beyond a joke. It makes the rest of us look like proper mugs to anyone who reads this.
We'll brush ourselves off - we're due a win against Man Utd and this is exactly the time to do it. Spurs don't do losing anymore - the players that survived the slaps from Joe Jordon after Sundays match will be itching to get back on track.
Keep the faith.
It was like chasing stone throwing kids into an alley, over a fence, through a hole in a fence, over a wall, through several banks of white blustery sheets, hung from uniformly placed washing lines - only to find ourselves, sheets an all, in the middle of a largest Travelers site this side of county Connemara l!! Fuck and double fuck... I know the the wounds will heal..... but every time i see a caravan I piss blood. .
Yes, it was a nightmare, but the important thing is to learn our lessons. I agree with the criticism levelled at Spurs players not showing enough commitment (Scott Parker excluded). Bale is generally ineffective in his roving role, because he is so dreadfully one-footed. The upsetting thing on Sunday was the way they lost. I hope they feel ashamed and turn that shame into real commitment. With no Parker and also Kyle Walker possibly out through injury there are genuine worries against Man. Utd, but I am more concerned with how we play rather than just the result. United have repeatedly shown that they galvanise themselves when they are up against the wall, such as how they they weathered their centre back crisis. Call me romantic,but on Sunday, I want to see Spurs play like their lives depended on it, a team full of Dave Mackays!
We've recalled Adam Smith from his loan at Leeds, which suggests Walker's injury is not short-term......
There's 'bad days at the office' and 'bad days at the office'.
The boss setting fire to the building before he commits suicide
by hanging himself in the toilets
is worse than a minor malfunction of the IT sysstem.
What if you don't like your boss?
@EssexRocks: Pretending that 3rd is pretty much guaranteed is even more moronic, imho. In fact, you're exactly the kind of fan that has made Spurs a laughing stock - believing the hype, getting too big for your boots. We'll see who the moron is when Sunday rolls around, I guess - I hope to Christ it's me, but I'm not holding my breath.
Sorry, but this is a facile, pointless analysis. Equating the win ratio to the point-winning ratio (which is equivalent to PPG) makes no sense. In total about 10 % (not insignificant) of points come from draws, and some teams get as many as 35 - 40 % of their points through draws. Not just relegation candidates either. Liverpool have about 23 % of their points from draws.
And getting 72 points guarantees us f*ck all. Chelsea and Arsenal can both reach 80 points (assuming they draw when they play in April). So 81 points is the only thing that will *guarantee* 4th place (that's 28 points from 12 games).
Of course anyone knows that it it extremely unlikely that they will both win all of their remaining games. I don't think that either, but passing this off as serious analysis is just BS. The sum of this \\\"analysis\\\" is:
we are currently 7 points ahead of Arsenal and Chelsea. We lie 3rd, and that makes us odds on favorites to finish top 4.
Which any sane person would agree with. So why don't you just say that instead of pretending to perform \\\"analysis\\\".
It's meant to incite chat. Don't take it too seriously.
Thought the massive DON'T PANIC was a dead give away.
And I wasn't shooting the messenger. You were successful in \\\\\\\"inciting chat\\\\\\\". This is my contribution. I'm an analyst. I take numbers seriously :-)
Bloody hell. The chat doesn't agree with quotation marks very much, does it!
No wonder, I did think you sounded overally geeky ;)
I'm currently testing V6 of the blog software (it's in beta). Bit more snazzy than what we've got. Even got threaded replies. Might even have agreeable quotation marks.
Losing against the gooners obviously hurts but we are still having a fantastic season . Get bale back on the wing, lennon on the other wing and stop poncing about with bale running about in midfield apart from that and the obvious injuries i dont see any real problems.
this season we beat them at home.....they beat us at their home.....no shame there? ...we still have the FA cup ...Man U is priority ....focus.......they may end up as usual with nowt.(.sunday sid..?...we have the honorary title arsewipe of the year......of which you have been awarded as a mark of distinction....for your dense input
I cant believe you people are spurs fans Redknapp has only done good with us..quite pathetic really..yo obviously know nothing about football..why dont you support another team really dont need fans with stupid opinions ...opinions are fine but look where we were quite sad...
There's a good chance that Spurs will not even finish in the top four, period. It could just as easily be The manc clubs and then liverpool and chelsea. All it takes is Liverpool to ride the momentum of a cup win, Chelsea to utilize Drogba and get some solidity, and Spurs to suffer the riggers of a season in which they've given much. Arsenal could also use this derby win as a platform. They could just easily lose the next game to liverpool. And of course Spurs could just implode, and the feel good factor of their play could die out.
No one knows. I would imagine the international break wont help.