If Stratford Hotspur happens, it ends there...
Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 7:10PM Guest blog by Jack aka tehTrunk.
Yes hello, you may remember me, I was the bloke what done them little cartoon things with the voices and stuff. I'm here today in a different capacity, to share my thoughts on the eerily quiet new stadium goings on at Stra...Tottenham Hotspur. I say quiet, but thankfully Karen Brady's constant barking does serve some purpose, if only in reminding us of the fact that we could well, genuinely, be leaving not just White Hart Lane but Tottenham itself.
Yeah, this could actually happen. WTF OMG?!!1! (I'm writing on the internet, it's allowed (lol))
Now, I'm not from Tottenham, I don't even live in North London. My allegiance with Spurs is the age old father son connection familiar with many football fans. You know, when dad creeps into your bedroom at night, gagging you with an Arsenal scarf in order to play hide the magic banana? Since those days, anything bearing the cannon of them lot down the road turns my stomach and reminds me of those mornings where I'd have to swagger into school like a cowboy. This then reminds me of cowboys which I also hate (I always preferred Indians). Suffice to say that sitting through Brokeback Mountain was a nightmare.
Alas, I digress.
Where was I?
Oh yes, I support Tottenham but I'm not from Tottenham, there we go.
These recent mutterings that we could be leaving Tottenham to take up residence in the Millennium Dome (er Olympic Stadium mate?!)have created a strange and uncomfortable conflict within my thoughts, much like when I catch a glimpse of Niko Kranjcar. As I've already covered but will tell you again, Tottenham isn't my home, the team Tottenham Hotspur isn't my local team so why should I care where the team plies it's trade? I don't know really, but I do.
History has always been an important part of this club, given that during the years I've supported them there has been little success, but it's been instilled into me that this is a club with heritage, with tradition. I'm sure most clubs think this way, but we support Spurs, we don't care what myths other clubs supporters perpetuate amongst themselves. We're onto a new chapter now, who knows where it goes. I'm enjoying, while it lasts, us grabbing headlines and having a squad filled with world class players, but this isn't why I support Spurs.
We all know about our cup runs, and double heroics and European glory glory nights so I'll save the maudlin mush.
Football is a business (no sheet Sherlock). It's easy to say, but it's hard to grasp what this actually means. Business' exist to make money. The chairmen, the board, they don't care about you, they don't care about me (they should care about me, I'm awesome. Not you though. D*ckhead) Does the CEO of McDonalds care that your burger doesn't look like it does in the picture on the board?
Daniel Levy is a business man. Don't ever forget that. For all his 'Spurs fan' talk, he's a business man. He's not big Dan from down the pub who wears a Spurs shirt on match days and gets asked to leave the pub when he's had a few too many and is getting loud sweary cross and scaring the couple who just popped in for an ale and glass of house white after finishing shopping, whilst he watches Spurs lose to Wolves at home (all in 3D mind). Levy, and the people surrounding him want to make money. This isn't all a bad thing, money has allowed us to assemble the squad we see before us today. Moving to the Olympic Stadium makes perfect business sense.
It's cheaper than building an entirely new stadium. It has a massive capacity. It looks well nice so will entice new fans. Having a massive, well nice stadium increases the club's prestige both at home and abroad. This will see a rise in the attendance, fan base and the type of investors and players we can attract to the club. Maybe it'll even see us become a more attractive option to a super mega rich foreign owner, who'll buy us Messi and we can win everything and be the best team in the world and even make it onto Sky Sports montages and have our players pictured on the front of the packets of football stickers found on the newsagent's counter.
Spurs, nay, football in general is entering into a dangerously vacuous and shallow era. This potential move to Stratford is a perfect example of that. Forget the history, forget about the locals, forget the name, we're going to move. We'll be Stratford Hotspur, it'll be just the same just we'll make more money and maybe win more stuff and then football will be more better, honest. Yeah, worked well for Wimbledon.
You can scream at me until you're blue faced, the endless clichés that 'we have to do it to compete', 'we want to win stuff what with City getting better now', 'Liverpool will bounce back sooner or later'. I don't care. I didn't support Spurs because they competed, because they were amazing, I support Spurs because they're Spurs. Sacrificing what we are in order to get to what we perceive is a higher level is like the bloke who ditches all his ugly best mates because he wants to be more popular with women. He's a lonely, boring, desperate tool and everyone can see it but him.
I know my thoughts don't represent those of all Spurs fans, and I don't look down on anyone for feeling differently (I really do to be honest). I just see this as one of many examples of how appalling our society is now. It's like saying that I think my mum is fat and ugly and I want a new one with less droopy wangers that way it'll reflect better on me and then I'll be happier. I don't think you're fat and ugly by the way Mummy, Trunky wuvs woo.
If Stratford Hotspur happens, it ends there for me. FC Hotspur of Tottenham or whoever else likely pops up it'll be. You can take your Gareth Bales, VDVs and whoever else and shove them. Along with your reality TV, IKEA furniture, tabloid newspapers, celebrities, Thomas Cook holidays and most of all your Sky Sports.
If all of you told Levy where he could stick his plan, it wouldn't happen, fact. But you won't.
Think on.
Be sure to visit We are N17 for your anti-Stratford fix and latest news. You can also find them on Twitter and Facebook.
Previous Stratford/N17 articles by Spooky:
N17: Home is where the heart is
A nail in the coffin of Stratford?
For some, it's a brutal interrogation...
Reader Comments (559)
Missing the point Francois.
No, you will tear the club in two if you continue with this nonsense, not Levy, not the OS bid but dissention in the ranks, militant and ever more aggresive groups souting from the rooftops about what is best for the club and slandering anyone who doesn't it their way.
Take a look at Liverpool, the fans think they know whats best and organize themselves into seperate groups but what they fail to realise in their ignorance is that they are tearing their club into pieces, so that the owners bow to their every demand, no matter how outragous (Kenny Dalgliesh).
You know better Spooky, you are not stupid, nip this nonsense in the bud quick. Protest by all means but enough with the 'rebel club', THFC to the end.
The FC Hotspur thing is simply a twitter petition to share info from the wearen17 site. My love for the club is unquestionable, hence the reason why I want us to remain in N17. To suggest that if we don't go to Stratford would be massively detrimental in comparison to the apparent debt we'll be consumed in if we remain in N17 doesn't hold up for me.
Mainly because if the OS is given to West Ham, what then? Do just scrap all plans and get on with playing in front of 36,000 fans at the Lane and settle with 5th best? Of course not.
For piece of nonsense you think I state, look deeper into what the club is saying and doing and question why they are so easily opting for something outside of Tottenham.
How exactly are Spurs fans in the wrong for WANTING to remain IN N17? It's ridiculous to suggest we're backwards for it. I could accuse you and others of being rebels.
Cheers.
So pro stratford folk, if Spurs moved further out, say 15 miles from current location to a site that would cost as much as the proposed Olympic Stadium - you'd also be content with this in the name of progress? You'd be happy to move proving you have passed the test and are a true supporter?
Give the fuck over.
yeah fuck of francois - really just fuck of. please please fuck of man. i cant believe im laughing but i am...at you. it amazes me that you are a yid.
i fucking cant believe this guy - i really believe he is kearle or mills or that other pr gimp whatever his name was.
posh paul i will email that cunt tomorrow after work. also the email addresses of key OPLC people are on the wearen17.co.uk site - i will also email those people although i have already sent letters to them.
remember in my previous posts i have put many email addresses and lnks you'd find useful fella.
btw im looking forward to milan - whats francois looking forward to. god only knows what motivates this thing called francois - no way are you a spurs fan mate Lol
he's got so ridiculous im not angry anymore, im laughing at him instead :)
Great point Spooky.
Francois the rebel who has never been to Tottenham and paid his hard earned euro week in week out, wants to leave our home to help set up a super franchise so that he can see London Spurs winning from the comfort of his armchair.
Francois doesn't like fans who want to stay in their 111 year home. Francois likes this : )
Im sure you are a decent bloke so dont take my comments personally it's just you are spouting such complete distain for Tottenham Hotspur a club I happen to be pretty passionate about and yet you have never even been.
i have to question a guy who never goes to spurs yet is on sites like this and is really that interested even though he never goes. he is also scarilly for stratscum and so against FCHT.
All this leads me to conclude that he is someone from the club posting for levy, kearle, mills or the pr gimp.
i really believe that and feel its time he was blocked lol
Any chance of not having the same topic running concurrently in two different places?
....or are you aiming for a 1000 comments now?
thats why i have stuck here as im close to going insane as it is
Closed the other one.
:-) Here is that fat walrus mike lee's PR company. http://www.verocom.co.uk/
This idiocy needs to be nipped in the bud asap.
If Levy is using the OS as a means to get more financial backing for the NDP, it's all very elaborate. I reckon they're serious and if they're not, there's too much at stake to gamble.
The argument that £500m of public money will be turned into rubble shortly after the games is a very strong one and one that should be (and probably will be) used repeatedly until the public and the politicians have no option but to see sense.
No doubt when they lose in the bidding, they'll have excuses lined up about how they never really had the intention of moving.
I love how its assumed that I 'never' go to Tottenham and have never spent my 'hard earned' just because my views don’t fall into line with the general idiocy that has been spouted on these pages. Or maybe its my moniker that leads to this assumption, for the record I was born and brought up in Enfield though (thankfully) I no longer live there, I'm white, working class and have supported this club since before I learned how to tie my shoe laces.
As for :-), a man so devoid of imagination he couldn't even think up a username to post under, time and time again you reveal yourself to be a cretin of the worst kind. This is my worry, that people like him who shout the loudest will be seen as representative of Spurs fans as a whole when in reality he is the worst example you could wish to choose. I see you're already enhancing your burdening reputation as a clown on Glory Glory, spreading your hateful and ignorant bile under the same arse-witted username. People like you are doomed to extinction, like the luddites you will protest loudly for a time but soon enough you'll be left behind and no-one will mourn your absence.
So a year or two then Francois ; )
I've been supporting the club for a year or two? If that was the case do you think I'd care enough to waste my time speaking to people on a site like this?
No my friend, those of us who debate on blogs and forums are beyond redemption, after five or ten years there is still hope that you might some other hobby that isn't such a drain on your emotions, your bank balance and your hopes and dreams, but if you don't quit then you're in for life, checking online for every little bit of news, discussing hypothetical’s 'till the sun comes down safe in the knowledge that nothing you say makes the blind bit of difference to anything.
There is no logic to being a football supporter, sometimes I think its a waste of life and all a big fat con but i'm powerless to change my ways now. That is why I say THFC to the end, whenever or wherever THFC will always be my team.
You lot are fucking infuriating.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/kurtbarling/2011/01/playing_away_from_home.html
Real comments from real fans. I dont understand why you want our club to be a cash cow for Haringey. They can get fucked as far as I'm concerned and I tell you something boys, you should start you shitty little rebel club now because if we don't get the OS will we look at different areas around London because Haringey council have made it far too expensive to stay. Greedy fucking cunts. Im glad, over the fucking moon, David 'fuckface' Lammy and his poncing mob came one too many times, cap in hand, wanting something else refurbished as part of the NDP. His constituents have been completely let down by him, our football club has been let down by him and he really has no option but to resign.
I tell you another thing if you think you this is a similar situation to the Dons, your not even close. The crazy gang would still exist if they could have found a home within 5 miles of Selhurst Park.
Francois - They're a disgrace mate.
Coming over to answer a comment in reply to my in before comments closed comment on the latest post.....if that makes any sense.
TMWNN if you read this you put in answer to my "So again, simple question what the hell are the club supposed to do? Be a council bitch, stagnate or piss off some fans by moving? "
Build a cheaper alternative to the original NDP. Moving is only an option if you want to support another club.
Right as I said in my comment I don't want to move but if you seriously think a cheaper alternative is a viable option then you're wrong. First off a cheaper alternative means yet more plans and yet more council BS with yet more revised plans and then the cycle starts all over again. Secondly a cheaper alternative will mean the same transport links already in place and a smaller capacity than the current WHL plans on the table.
Chubb has it nailed on Haringey can play the "if Spurs move then N17 is doomed" card all they like but as I said in the other comment it is Haringey council that has caused the problem in the first place. This isn't the first time we've tried to improve things in and around the area and it's not the 1st time they have made us jump through hoops. Considering Spurs is the ONLY thing in N17 with any pull any council worth a damn would have bent over backwards to help and considering Lammy has been an MP for Tottenham for a decade it's a bit rich for him to start acting like some pseudo Spurs spokesman now.
I noticed something said about aiming things at Levy for not trying to get council funding. Well whether he did or didn't it's pretty obvious by Haringey's insistence on making the club pay for things that have nothing to do with the club that even making inquiries would be pointless. Unless Haringey back down and act like they want us to stay then like Chubb says whether we get the OS or not we'll be moving regardless. It's not something we want granted but if Haringey are going to continually try to bleed us dry then what other option do we have but to move?
You are not in the wrong for wanting to stay in N17, protesting is at this moment is the logical thing to do. But I'm disappointed to see so many people who are apparently so attached to Tottenham the area, that they would sooner start up a new club there rather than follow THFC five miles down the road.
THFC is far more than just its geographical location, its ever changing, ever evolving, all that matters is that we do our best to push her to the top of English football. That is what really matters to me, the thought that we one day might do it and win the title, that is what every supporter cares about ultimately or else why would we keep coming back?
If we move to Stratford it will only be with that aim in mind, making Tottenham successful, if that is the only way to do it then that's what we'll do. The stakes have been upped now, our stadium is longer adequate and building a new one on the same site could end up defeated the purpose of being able to compete financially by throwing us into a heap of debt for the next ten years.
We can sit here and say 'well how do we know that its not financially viable to stay in Tottenham?' but we all know Levy, we know that the one thing he can never be faulted on is his financial expertise. The man has put us where we are today through his shrewd foresight regarding the overall vision of the club, he knew we couldn't compete, and still can't compete, in the deep end of the transfer market so instead he bought the best young talent we could afford, there may have been a few bumps along the way but the overall vision proved to be spot on.
That is why I'm willing to back Levy's judgement on this, he knows exactly what he's doing and has proved himself to be a worthy guardian of THFC, perhaps even a guardian angel, restoring THFC to it's former glory against all the odds.
The above was @Spooky re "How exactly are Spurs fans in the wrong for WANTING to remain IN N17? It's ridiculous to suggest we're backwards for it. I could accuse you and others of being rebels."
Your right, Frankie.
I said what I had to say about the issue, and will leave in peace Spooky and that utter prick “:-)” to keep beating the dead horse and suck each other’s dick. Maybe Lammy will jump in and join them.
Can't believe the defeatist nonsense I'm reading.
So now, all of a sudden, there's absolutely no possibility of staying in Tottenham.
:-) could be right in saying the blog has been infiltrated by those with an ulterior motive who are going on a propaganda offensive to sway opinion.
Im not trying to push my opinion on anyone here, Im telling you facts. Although I doubt :-) is right about anything. I mean he's already founded a new club and sold them to Phillip Green hahahaha. And posh Paul cares so much he's sending out the important, decision changing emails. That consist of the word 'cunt' and no more. In short its becoming very apparent that the N17ers are narrow minded pond life who should do this country a favour and get sterilized. By the way, I would love you guys to start this new club (not that I think any of you are really capable) because when I say I hate Arsenal, It's not a lie. But If I ever saw 2 gooners laying into a twat wearing FCHT shirt I would have to help them out.
Beetle, no need to walk away. It's a discussion.
Chubb , saying that you dont want to push your opinion on somebody and then stating that those who are against your point of view are narrow mind , proves to me that you are not as open minded as you'd like to be.
Furthermore you take the example of those who were vocal and sometimes ridicilous in explaining their views while forgetting the likes of Spooky and The Trunk and lots of others , who put a real effort in calmly explaining their sentiments concerning the move.
Turning your view around it would be easy to conclude for me that the pro stratford lot are soulless , gloryseeking youngsters willing to sell their club to the highest bidder hoping to become one of the new Sky top 4. But i am not willing to go down that road , i just want to say that it all comes down to a form of egoism
Egoism because it comes down to what you as an individual want from your club. Egoism because perhaps the season ticket holders dont mind staying because they are just that , whereas the waitlisters are hoping to get a shot at a season ticket. Egoism because maybe some live closer to Stratford (or prefer the comfort of travelling there) and others are N17. Egoism because some prefer tradition and steady progress in stead of doing in the Arsenal way and pack up and leave out of a so called better business perspective and so on ...
To me Tottenham is the soul of the club and moving away from an area that has been our home for so long seems ridiculous , even if it could be slowing us down. We are not a franchise and leaving Tottenham for another part of London sounds to me like leaving your roots for some supposedly greener grass on the other side of the hill. Where life is sweet and glory awaits us all
Football is money , money equals progress and so on ... But where is the essence of the game , of our experience as fans in all that ? Are we just fools who sing , shout and suffer for nothing more then an enterprise.
Are we clients , or are we fans ?
Fair enough Belguin spur, I do understand where the people who want the club to stay in Tottenham are coming from. Im not pro Stratford, I pro £200M and anti extortion. The financial stability of the club is paramount in these times.
Am I being overly cynical to think that most of the money saved by using the OS will be more likely to end up with the shareholders/board than in the transfer kitty?
Argument over, the mighty Chas hath spoken:
"Chas Hodges – one half of legendary cockney rockers Chas & Dave – says his family have supported Spurs for generations and it would be “devastating” if the club left the area for Stratford’s Olympic stadium.
The band became synonymous with Spurs after penning several songs to back their FA Cup Final appearances in 1981, 1982 and 1987 – including chart hit Ossie’s Dream, also known as Spurs Are On Their Way To Wembley, backed with Glory Glory Tottenham Hotspur.
Other Spurs hits by the duo include Hot Shot Tottenham and When The Year Ends in One.
Chas told the Journal that he has been a fan of the club since day one: “I was born just around the corner [in North Middlesex Hospital], and started going up there at about eight or nine with my older brother, and it was very much part of me and growing up. Everyone was Spurs fans. You were just born a Spurs fan.
“I have got great memories of the Spurs. I remember getting on the bus at the Town Hall in Edmonton – and I remember the Spurs centre-forward getting on the bus as well! Those days have changed.”
He added: “It would be devastating for me, all them memories of walking to the ground and all the things that happened.
“All that tradition is going out the window, bit by bit. If the Spurs ground wasn’t there it would be like taking the heart out of the area.
“My dad died when I was three and he was a Spurs fan, and my great grandfather, he saw the 1901 final.”
In that game, Spurs beat Sheffield United 3-1 in the replay of the FA Cup final in Burnden Park, Bolton, after they drew 2-2 in front of 110,000 spectators in Crystal Palace, becoming the only non-League team to ever win the cup.
“If that ground goes there is going to be a lot of shops that are going to suffer,” Chas added.
“It’s hard to take it in, to go through there and think that the Spurs might not be there any more.”"
source: http://www.muswellhilljournal24.co.uk/news/spurs_move_would_be_devastating_chas_dave_speak_out_1_773621?
Am I being overly cynical to think that most of the money saved by using the OS will be more likely to end up with the shareholders/board than in the transfer kitty?
I would have thought its £200M less debt!
Can I just say I find it so annoying reading that West Ham will borrow £40M from Newham Council to redevelop the OS should they win it. Why is council lending money to a commercial organisation. Such a contrast to Haringey.
Good point.
Newham are as poor as Haringey, though. Perhaps Haringey can similarly lend us £40mil?
The more i read the more i believe the NDP is already dead in the water... sad, very sad indeed!
Just a shame Mr Lammy MP wasn't as vocal in the support of the regeneration of WHL prior to Levy expressing his interest in the OS, now all he sems to be doing is lambasting the hand that feeds him. Where was his love and veciferous support for the NDP? He has no love for the club, no love for Haringey and like all MP's his priority is self-preservation and only now in the face of losing his golden ticket is he really showing his true colours... the man is desperate!
Perhaps a few of our more vocal and abusive supporters should be aiming their anger toward this cretin who has done nothing but create obstacles, change and increase their demands and then expect THFC to pick up the tab since the very start of the project.
I'm in a state of flux... i don't want to leave WHL, I don't want to become London Hotspur FC, but then i feel as a club we'll be completely hamstrung if we stay... what a fucking nightmare this is and what's worse we're gonna be none the wiser as to what's happening til at least March!
I still think its funny that people are taking the boards word that it will be 200m cheaper. So really we can build a 60,000 seater stadium like the one in NDP for 250m?
When they reference the costs they don't break it down - the NDP is of course costing more because they have included huge hotels and apartments, shops, supermarkets - all commoditys we would own and get money back on.
What are the proposed 'other costs' in Startford???
I would guess that its down to transport and to give two fingers up to Lammy for being a c%nt. Not good enough reasons for me to leave our home of 111 years.
Jeez we are so fucking divided it unbelievable (jeff!)
For so long others have looked at THFC and had a good laugh at our expense accusing us of having ideas above our station delusions of granduer etc and a inability to let go of our traditions because traditions dont win you trophys etc etc and all that fucking bollocks.
Now this shit is erupting and we'll be a laughing stock again (for our division...millitancy...talk of a rebel club etc)
We are turning on ourselves and while beetleblues is entitled to his opinion
this
Jan 13, 2011 at 3:17 AM | beetleblues
"............and will leave in peace Spooky and that utter prick “:-)” to keep beating the dead horse and suck each other’s dick. Maybe Lammy will jump in and join them"
is not very helpful.
God beetle i'd love a discussion re Crouch like the good 'ol days of the early part of the season!!!
Seriously its a valid discussion but please lets not turn on eachother and get personal and insulting...its not very helpful..
I've read some shit on here too (bound to ... there are almost 500 comments!) but i'm not gonna call someone out beacuse of it.
I also fear that, god forbid we go to stratford, that we'll be accused of hammering the final nail in the coffin of the Tottenham area, because lets face it its not going to be reported on fairly by the likes of Sky or that cunt Barling at the beeb.
The savings will be by and large pocketed by the board kaybee.
Chas is yet another figure connected to the club who hates the idea of stratscum kaybee. Graham Roberts echoed his views as have many other greats. No spurs great has said they are pro stratscum.
Very good point Chubb – I shall raise this with LBH immediately. I proposed they gave us £50m towards the NLDP – now I will propose they lend us the same figure.
Again DY I think it very unfair that you talk of lammy that way. As previously outlined in my post that shows levy’s behaviour up to October 30th, there would be absolutely no reason for lammy to lobby the govt or LBH for financial help. Before responding to my point please read my factual info in a previous post about levy’s behaviour concerning the funding of the NLDP up to October 30th.
Also DY many spurs fans strongly disagree with this notion that we’re f*cked by staying at WHL. Its simply not true.
Yidal I believe they plan to build a supermarket at stratscum.
Oh and if you are interested folks Kurt Barling has just responded to the comments that his blog on one-sided
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/kurtbarling/2011/01/playing_away_from_home.html#comments
: - ) My point is that they haven't referenced any of those costs when saying it will be 200m cheaper. They are undeerplaying hoe much the overall project will cost by a lot. IMO
Good listen on Talk sport about West Hams bid.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/hawksbee-and-jacobs/blog/2011-01-13/warner-tottenhams-stadium-bid-abuse-olympics
'The savings will be by and large pocketed by the board kaybee.'
Yeah course it will, because Levy and co and a history of siphoning money out of the club don't they?
Imbecile.
Dont be rude francois.
I see more very high profile people from the world of athletics have heavily condemned are plans. this time its warner, rugge and some other guy. that must put the list up to around 8 extremely important people in athletics who i have read comments from since October 30th who have condemned us - great the world of athletics hate us...brilliant news :(
HOWEVER THIS IS THE IMPORTANT BIT - although as stated whether we keep the name tottenham has no bearing on my thoughts on this. READ THIS;
'It has been claimed Spurs could be forced to change their name if they move from White Hart Lane to Stratford.
Leading intellectual property lawyer Alexander Carter-Silk, of law firm Speechly Bircham, said: "It is our view that the club's exclusive right to use the name Tottenham Hotspur would be open to legal challenge if the club continued to use the Tottenham reference when it ceased to have any direct reference with the locality."
That would further anger the overwhelming majority of fans heavily opposed to a move east. '
Well there we are then the new club can be called TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR :)
btw i understand from people at the club that thfc will soon deny thats the case but Carter-Silk is very well known and respected - fact is it will be open to legal challenge and i will be in that court...
COYS :)
Fair point :-) although my tirade toward Mr Lammy MP is more to do with THFC having to jump through hoops to make sure he got what he wanted, not purely the financial assistance, it's more to do with securing government support in improving the local transport infrastructure...
We will be fucked if we redevelop WHL, a capital outlay of £450m on the NDP will pretty much ruin the club's finances for a good decade at the very least. Where exactly do you think this £450m is coming from? And please don't say we'll keep WHL as it is... as sad as it is, it simply isn't an option :-(
Its a non story :-), a lawyer wanting to get in the paper. Chelsea play in Fulham, West Ham play in East Ham. etc etc. Now Liverpool forced to drop the FC, that's a possibility!
a good point made by a post earlier-so we get the o/s plot to build a new ground and then what,,,tottenham as an area let alone the home of our club slowly withers on the vine until the whole town becomes a wasteland.
so then we are left with a spanking new staduim in an area which by tradition is a west ham stronghold with 60000 nomads going there once a fortnight.
its about more then just money-why cant people see this???
its not a non story chubb.
DY in acknowledging my point on levy's behaviour regarding the funding of the NLDP up to october 30th you are therefore saying you agree that based on the factual information provided by smiley, that levy has misinformed and misguided you and all tottenham fans and consequently has acted in a disgraceful manor.
Please bear that in mind when you hear present comments from levy on supposed difficulties on funding the NLDP. the NLDP wont ruin the club; we will get substantial fees in gate receipts, from the homes, supermarket, hotel, naming rights etc. people will say who will use these commercial additional developments but that is open to debate. you say the NLDP would f*uck us yet you agree on levy's bad behaviour - bad behaviour which said we could fund it okay - so i am confused if you are accepting my point or still believing the present day drivel coming from levy and the board - think hard as they plan to confuse folk like you and me.
Btw i dont believe lammy has ever had a hope in hell in achieving the key goal of having the victoria line extended to northumberland park. TFL are cunts and will not sanction that extension no matter what. im glad you have backtracked slightly though and recognise based again on levy's bad behaviour (highlighted in my previous posts) that lammy is not a complete bastard but instead a man with passion fighting for what he believes in. he is an odd chap but smiley likes him all the same.
Lammy is still partly responsible for making spurs jump through hoops. I hope he sees fit to backdown on certain requests and help contribute to the project.
i am not desperate to defend lammy no matter what but i must say i am not aware that the demands in the S106 by LBH are in anyway linked to lammy but instead those of LBH. LBH say these costs are vital to sustain the proposed changes and increased capacity.
i agree with the proposals and costs, just wish LBH (although asked by levy in totally the wrong way and also being decieved by levy's bad behaviour) would be the bigger person and contribute financially to the S106.
I wouldn't quite put it like that smiley... can't recall Mr Levy misguiding Spurs fans or behaving in a disgraceful manner but I do acknowledge that it is unfair to originally not request funding assistance from the govt and now change that stance... but without knowing the in's and out's it's very difficult to comment on the rights and wrongs.
But we also have to bear in mind that since we started this project a lot has changed, a global economic meltdown, £500bn (not all of it but u know what I mean) of public money given to East London, a categorical no from TFL for the choob extension, a lost World Cup bid where the new WHL was a chosen stadia and would've secured financial support on the back of it, chopping and changing of the plans to accomodate Lammy and LBH as well as the oncurred costs and a significant rise in the predicted costs from £300m to £450...so yes maybe reading between the lines originally we didn't need financial assistance but now we might well do. Times have changed and so too have the club's finances, needs and options, whether we like it or not.
* incurred not oncurred :-?
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